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What does it matter to you if these people wanted to discuss this ? Micro manage much lol ?
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What does it matter to you if these people wanted to discuss this ? Micro manage much lol ?
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vyo476
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I guess I just didn't see how it has a bearing on modern politics. If you have the means I'd suggest picking up a copy of Don DeLillo's "White Noise" (it has nothing to do with the recent movie of the same name) which is about an academic fraud who invents an entire collegiate department in "Hitler Studies."
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Here lets put Hiltler in Modern world era ,,,,,by Comparison
Do we all here know how it is Hitler was able to finally realize power and win the party? It was the Reichstag Fire a fire he planned himself in order to hoodwink the german people into blindly following Him and his Nazi Party... the fire was lit and others were blamed the german people fell for the ploy and the rest is history
why would this relate to modern politics? well one could easliy say because of the startling similarity of these events and the events of Sept 11 2001.where many say once again a "great" leader was propelled to power ,,,others were blamed and The American people Blindly rallyed support of the "New" leader
many would argue that these things are quite co-incidental and actually more when you Consider it was Bushs Great granddad Prescott Bush who helped finance the Nazi war machine....maye the saying is true the apple dosent fall far from the tree??
Do we all here know how it is Hitler was able to finally realize power and win the party? It was the Reichstag Fire a fire he planned himself in order to hoodwink the german people into blindly following Him and his Nazi Party... the fire was lit and others were blamed the german people fell for the ploy and the rest is history
why would this relate to modern politics? well one could easliy say because of the startling similarity of these events and the events of Sept 11 2001.where many say once again a "great" leader was propelled to power ,,,others were blamed and The American people Blindly rallyed support of the "New" leader
many would argue that these things are quite co-incidental and actually more when you Consider it was Bushs Great granddad Prescott Bush who helped finance the Nazi war machine....maye the saying is true the apple dosent fall far from the tree??
vyo476
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George Bush was already President of the United States when 9/11 occurred. There aren't a whole lot of people who've called Bush a "great" leader; most of his supporters just say that he's decent at performing the job, not "great" (that's for the propaganda machines - listen to the actual people who support him and they'll tell you what's what in their minds).
It is easily provable through empirical evidence from the 30s that the Reichstag fire was set by Nazis. There is no empirical evidence that 9/11 was a US conspiracy.
And anyway...most of the detractors of President Bush make him out to be a complete idiot. Don't you think you're giving him just a little too much credit with this whole "it was an inside job!" thing?
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No actually I dont believe it was GW at all as you said he was already in the office at the time eh? so then that leaves the question ......WHO is the great leader? certainly not the trained chimpanzee in the suit they call GW
I certainly dont give him the credit for planning or masterminding 9-11? Hes not that smart...nor that far thinking no this must have been one of his PNAC handlers....... yes that is where it begins and twists and turns throughout all of the affiliated offshoots of the responsible entity
I sure do think W's Daddy and some others were way involved.......W was just a figure head and BTW it is systematically being questioned, and time will prove what happened at the trade towers that morning
Nobody descended upon the reichstag and shipped all of the evidence over-seas did they? how many years later did the truth surface? time is on my side ill paitiently wait for the truth to finally surface as it always does
was hitler a great man? no like GW he was surrounded by "great" men hitler was just the conduit
I certainly dont give him the credit for planning or masterminding 9-11? Hes not that smart...nor that far thinking no this must have been one of his PNAC handlers....... yes that is where it begins and twists and turns throughout all of the affiliated offshoots of the responsible entity
I sure do think W's Daddy and some others were way involved.......W was just a figure head and BTW it is systematically being questioned, and time will prove what happened at the trade towers that morning
Nobody descended upon the reichstag and shipped all of the evidence over-seas did they? how many years later did the truth surface? time is on my side ill paitiently wait for the truth to finally surface as it always does
was hitler a great man? no like GW he was surrounded by "great" men hitler was just the conduit
Lilly Marlene
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I think Hitler is a fascinating subject all in himself, but does have practical applications for the exact reason cited by Rokerijdude, among others.
If you two read Mein Kampf you will see that he was not just a conduit; I have not read all of it by any means but the *vision* - for lack of a better word - was his own.
I also no longer believe that George W. Bush is the total dumba** he has prodded us to think he is. I now believe he has been fully aware of everything; all of his actions have been fully deliberate steps to implement the goals of PNAC.
If you two read Mein Kampf you will see that he was not just a conduit; I have not read all of it by any means but the *vision* - for lack of a better word - was his own.
I also no longer believe that George W. Bush is the total dumba** he has prodded us to think he is. I now believe he has been fully aware of everything; all of his actions have been fully deliberate steps to implement the goals of PNAC.
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Because if you look at the trajectory, it very closely resembles a time-honored strategy for ushering in fascism.
I can elaborate later when not so rushed and the house is less noisy ...
Have a nice evening - you and everyone,
Lilly
I can elaborate later when not so rushed and the house is less noisy ...
Have a nice evening - you and everyone,
Lilly
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Rokerijdude11
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what ...Exactly is your point?
if you have one?
if you have one?
OswaldTheOsprey
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I believe that National Socialism good have gone in a different direction but for the Night of Long Knives. This was brought about by the unholy trio of Goering, Himmler and Heydrich. Had Strasser and Roehm triumphed, things could have been much different and for the better, IMHO.
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vyo476
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Yeah, and if Trotsky had succeeded Lenin and not wound up in Mexico with a pickax in the back of his head the Soviet Union might have turned out better too.
Why didn't Trotsky and Strasser wind up at the head of their states? Because communism and fascism catered to the most vicious, ambitious leaders out there.
Hitler, Toho, Mussolini...
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...
Are we seeing a trend...?
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vyo476
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Are you honestly trying to use Fransisco Franco as a positive example of fascism in action?
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