American Allies: The Rowdy Saudi's

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Can someone else explain to me why we defend these subhumans, and transfer an incredible amount of wealth and power to the Saudi Arabians?

For all of you Bush apologists, I hope you are proud of yourselves.

40 lashes and 4 months in the joint for a 75 year old woman caught with having two men who were unrelated to her in the house. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html
(CNN) -- A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.

According to the Saudi daily newspaper Al-Watan, troubles for the woman, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, began last year when a member of the religious police entered her house in the city of Al-Chamli and found her with two unrelated men, "Fahd" and "Hadian."

Fahd told the policeman he had the right to be there, because Sawadi had breast-fed him as a baby and was therefore considered to be a son to her in Islam, according to Al-Watan. Fahd, 24, added that his friend Hadian was escorting him as he delivered bread for the elderly woman. The policeman then arrested both men.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam called Wahhabism and punishes unrelated men and women who are caught mingling.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, feared by many Saudis, is made up of several thousand religious policemen charged with duties such as enforcing dress codes, prayer times and segregation of the sexes. Under Saudi law, women face many restrictions, including a strict dress code and a ban on driving. Women also need to have a man's permission to travel.

Al Watan obtained the court's verdict and reported it was partly based on the testimony of the religious police. In his ruling, the judge said it was proved that Fahd is not Sawadi's son through breastfeeding.

The court also doled out punishment to the two men. Fahd was sentenced to four months in prison and 40 lashes; Hadian was sentenced to six months in prison and 60 lashes. In a phone call with Al Watan, the judge declined to comment and suggested the newspaper review the case with the Ministry of Justice. Sawadi told the newspaper that she will appeal, adding that Fahd is indeed her son through breastfeeding.

A top Saudi human rights lawyer, Abdulrahman Al-Lahem, volunteered to defend the woman and the two men and has been given power of attorney by them. He told CNN he plans to file an appeal in the case next week.

Efforts to reach Saudi officials at the Justice Ministry, religious police and other agencies were unsuccessful. A spokesman for the Saudi embassy in Washington said he had no details on the case.

The case sparked anger in Saudi Arabia.

"It's made everybody angry because this is like a grandmother," Saudi women's rights activist Wajeha Al-Huwaider told CNN. "Forty lashes -- how can she handle that pain? You cannot justify it."

This is not the first Saudi court case to cause controversy.

In 2007, a 19-year-old gang-rape victim in the Saudi city of Qatif was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison for meeting with an unrelated male. The seven rapists, who abducted the woman and man, received sentences ranging from 10 months to five years in prison.

The case sparked international outrage and Saudi King Abdullah subsequently pardoned the "Qatif Girl" and the unrelated male.

Al-Lahem, who has taken on many high-profile cases in recent years, represented the girl and received an award from Human Rights Watch last year. However, a travel ban issued by Saudi authorities kept him from traveling to London, England, to receive it.

Many Saudis hope the Ministry of Justice will be reformed. Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz announced in February a major Cabinet reshuffling in which many hard-line conservatives, including the head of the commission, were dismissed and replaced with younger, more moderate members.

The new appointments represented the largest shakeup since King Abdullah took power in 2005 and were welcomed in Saudi Arabia as progressive moves on the part of the king, whom many see as a reformer. Among ministers who've been replaced is the minister of justice.


The actions of the religious police have come under increased scrutiny in Saudi Arabia recently, as more and more Saudis urge that the commission's powers be limited. Last week, the religious police detained two male novelists for questioning after they tried to get the autograph of a female writer, Halima Muzfar, at a book fair in Riyadh, the capital of the kingdom.

"This is the problem with the religious police," added Al-Huwaider, "watching people and thinking they're bad all the time. It has nothing to do with religion. It's all about control. And the more you spread fear among people, the more you control them. It's giving a bad reputation to the country."
 
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Can someone else explain to me why we defend these subhumans, and transfer an incredible amount of wealth and power to the Saudi Arabians?

For all of you Bush apologists, I hope you are proud of yourselves.

40 lashes and 4 months in the joint for a 75 year old woman caught with having two men who were unrelated to her in the house. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html

Energy, arms sales, and political influence in the Middle East. Additionally to counter Chinese energy pressure. Why do you make it a Bush issue? Has every President since oil was found in the kingdom not pursued friendly relations?
 
Why do you make it a Bush issue? Has every President since oil was found in the kingdom not pursued friendly relations?
Well I mention the Bushes because there is no question they have had the closest ties and tolerated more Saudi bad behavior then any of the Presidents we have had.

As for friendly relations, I regard human rights, and political freedom as more valuable than any of the oil they have under the sand there. I am frankly tired of the hypocrisy shown by the world community lead by the American government in tolerating the behavior of the house of Saud.
 
If a President had to try and have allies in the Middle East, who is the better choice the Saudi's or Palestinian?

Neither treat their women like I think women should be treated, but China does not treat any human being like they should be treated either and we treat them like papa with a wallet.

If I had to pick a group in the Middle East aside of Israel of course, I would pick Saudi Arabia too.
 
I am sorry, does that fact, that I already know, change the fact we only care because of oil? Now if you have facts I don't know and that actually matter, feel free to post them.

Oil is important, we need oil

but its not the only reason we are there. We are also there to help protect Israel. That drives some batty and we may leave because Israel is not important to the current president, but I think it has as muchof a reason as oil if not more to do with why we are there
 
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Well I mention the Bushes because there is no question they have had the closest ties and tolerated more Saudi bad behavior then any of the Presidents we have had.

As for friendly relations, I regard human rights, and political freedom as more valuable than any of the oil they have under the sand there. I am frankly tired of the hypocrisy shown by the world community lead by the American government in tolerating the behavior of the house of Saud.

National and security interests have come before everything in the history of most every country on Earth. While I respect your opinion on the issue, I completely disagree.
 
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