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Airbus has one big advantage over Boeing. Boeing is in the US, where it has to pay for employee health insurance, while Airbus is in France, where they have universal health care. Since the US cost for health care is 17% of our GDP, as opposed to France's 7%, big business can operate more cheaply there. Obviously, Airbus beat out its rival not because of "anti white racism", but because of costs. Perhaps when Obama is elected president and brings the US into the 20th. century along with the rest of the developed world (and not one minute too soon, as we're now 8 years into the 21st. century), then we can be more competitive. Until then, we'll just have to watch as the dollar continues to drop against the Euro and health care costs continue to soar.

The lib medical "21st century": :D

- eight month waits for MRIs as in Canada

- people refused operations such as heart transplants because some bureaucrat has decided it's not in the national health budget

- hospitals in deplorable condition as in the UK's NHS

- medical tourism, as in the UK where tens of thousands of people go to places like india, or canadians go to the US for needed surgery, because that's better than the alternative (dying).
 
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please read up about the social security systems in Europe especially Germany and France who are the senior partners of EADS :rolleyes:

Point 1) Starting with social costs......here's just a hint for you, it costs shed loads of cash, I mean truck loads!! Believe it or not it comes out of taxation for which the employee and the employer contribute, the employer contributes on average about twice as much as the employee. Consequently they have very good medical services far superior to that which you have. Oh yeah your figures are total bollox the French pay up to 20% of their salary and the employers more. Germany is about the same....I know....I lived there for 10 Years!!

Oh, I'm sure that the taxes the French pay are outrageous, but if you compare what the US worker pays in taxes into the SS pension, into the company pension (since the SS system is regularly raided in order to pay for our enormous military costs), and into employee and employer contributions to the health care plan, along with out of pocket expenses, then shed loads of cash become train loads quickly.

And, my figures aren't bollox. What I said was that the US pays 17% of its GDP for health care, while France pays 7%, not that they pay only 7% of their pay in taxes. Yes, for that they have a superior system, at least according to the WHO.



Point 2) The French Unions have a strong grip over French Labour laws thus they have riots there on a regular basis because they don't like having their working hours increased and their pay reduced and their tax increased! The French Government is trying to carry public sector pension reforms through their parliament which was the reason for the general strike a few months ago. As far as their economy is concerned its' a basket case because of the restrictive labour laws and high social costs.

Why do you think they have teamed up with Northrop and are building the plane in Alabama!!!


OK, I hadn't heard that they were building the plane in Alabama. If that's so, then maybe labor costs aren't the major factor after all.

I really just wanted to hear what "Libsmasher" would have to say about my pointing out that he was supporting a company from "socialistic" France over one from the bastion of capitalism.
 

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Why do you think they have teamed up with Northrop and are building the plane in Alabama!!!

Surely some cost factors, but that is the only plausible way you would get Congress, much less the American people to not raise too much hell. Remember the Arab port flap? A French designed and built plane might just make people's head spin.
 

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Good idea. There are few things worse than a white anti-white racist.

You see, I dont care for racism at all. I am not one who is only bothered by it when it effects me. You would have me in agreement if you dropped the anti-white part. Racism is racism.
 

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The lib medical "21st century": :D

- eight month waits for MRIs as in Canada

- people refused operations such as heart transplants because some bureaucrat has decided it's not in the national health budget

- hospitals in deplorable condition as in the UK's NHS

- medical tourism, as in the UK where tens of thousands of people go to places like india, or canadians go to the US for needed surgery, because that's better than the alternative (dying).

What makes you think that will be the case in America? Must tell you, I went in for my annual check up 2 weeks ago(good health btw). But I had to schedule it a month in advance, went into a very nice modern hospital, was attended by a professional and competent doctor and support staff.
I have also been to the same hospital for emergency services in the past, wait time was similar to other hospitals elsewhere, care was adequate and friendly.
The only difference between the hospital that I go to, and the one you go to, mine is tax payer funded, no co-pays, no cash, no heavy debt, no insurance, no worries. Its free! All paid for through my tax dollars.

So you can still support the health insurance industry all you like, thier concern is not the care given to thier customers, but instead the profits of thier shareholders. I have no problem with capitalism, but our insurance system is beyond broken.
 

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You see, I dont care for racism at all. I am not one who is only bothered by it when it effects me. You would have me in agreement if you dropped the anti-white part. Racism is racism.


Blah blah blah. You're a white uncle tom.
 

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What makes you think that will be the case in America? Must tell you, I went in for my annual check up 2 weeks ago(good health btw). But I had to schedule it a month in advance, went into a very nice modern hospital, was attended by a professional and competent doctor and support staff.
I have also been to the same hospital for emergency services in the past, wait time was similar to other hospitals elsewhere, care was adequate and friendly.
The only difference between the hospital that I go to, and the one you go to, mine is tax payer funded, no co-pays, no cash, no heavy debt, no insurance, no worries. Its free! All paid for through my tax dollars.

So you can still support the health insurance industry all you like, thier concern is not the care given to thier customers, but instead the profits of thier shareholders. I have no problem with capitalism, but our insurance system is beyond broken.


The disastrous nature of socialized medicine is well established - read up.
 

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The disastrous nature of socialized medicine is well established - read up.

Not necessarily "socialized medicine", in which the state runs the health care system, but universal coverage exists in every other country besides the US.

Fact: Every industrialized country in the world except the US has universal medical care.

Fact: We pay more than any other country on Earth for medical care.

You can spin those facts any way you want, they remain facts.


I didn't know that Alaska had universal coverage. California was going that way before the mortgage crisis fomented a budget crisis in this state. It's probably not too far off.
 

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Not necessarily "socialized medicine", in which the state runs the health care system, but universal coverage exists in every other country besides the US.

Fact: Every industrialized country in the world except the US has universal medical care.

Fact: The horrifying state and policies of those systems is a matter of record.

Fact: We pay more than any other country on Earth for medical care.

Fact: We get the most advanced care.


Fact: You are unwilling to face the consequences of "universal health care".

I don't know what Alaska's situation is - probably huge state oil royalties spent on their miniscule population.

Fact: Can other states, or the US as a whole, pull that off?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 

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The disastrous nature of socialized medicine is well established - read up.

Yeah those damn Japanese have it horrible, so do the Germans, and Aussies.
The inhumane indifference of the for-profit medical insurance scam is much more well documented.
 

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Fact: We get the most advanced care.
If you can afford it.

Fact: You are unwilling to face the consequences of "universal health care".
You are unwilling to see the utter stupidity of the insurance system we have now.
I don't know what Alaska's situation is - probably huge state oil royalties spent on their miniscule population.

Fact: Can other states, or the US as a whole, pull that off?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Funny thing about my health care, its provided for by the Feds. Through IHS.
Oil revenues go for other frivilous expenditures. Law enforcement, education, infastructure, managing natural resources, other health care, etc. :rolleyes:

Did I mention the Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend is supposed to be over $2,000 this year? Or how about we dont pay income tax at the state level?
 

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Yeah, the British system is great! Waits were too long at hospital admission wards. They did something immediately! They are not bringing people inside until they can get to them more quickly.
 

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Fact: The horrifying state and policies of those systems is a matter of record.



Fact: We get the most advanced care.


Fact: You are unwilling to face the consequences of "universal health care".

I don't know what Alaska's situation is - probably huge state oil royalties spent on their miniscule population.

Fact: Can other states, or the US as a whole, pull that off?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


If every other industrialized nation in the world can pull it off, can pay less than we do, and have a health care system rated by the WHO as better than ours, and yet we can't, then it's way past time for some serious changes in our government.

You'll have to excuse me for thinking that the WHO has more resources to judge, and is far more objective, than someone like you and I who are posting on a political forum under a made up name.;)
 
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Yeah those damn Japanese have it horrible, so do the Germans, and Aussies.
The inhumane indifference of the for-profit medical insurance scam is much more well documented.


Yeah, the Uk has it wonderful. Russians? Heaven. African countries? Paradise! :D
 
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