Here we go again.

[pjmret]

Voter IDs provide a measure of security in elections by making it harder for cheaters to cheat. This is not complicated stuff.

and requiring voter ids makes it harder for valid voters to vote.
there is a tradeoff here of right to vote with voting security.
this is not complicated stuff.

 

[mark francis]

which election processes were not followed in georgia?

Fulton County officials told Reuters in July 2022 that, “At the time, the law did NOT require that the files be maintained, meaning, there were no requirements or guidelines to maintain ballot images from the ICP scanner used for advance voting and election day before the November 2020 election. “it appears that, at the time of the 2020 election, nothing in Rule 183-1-12-.13 expressly required election officials themselves to keep either the original electronic ballot images, or an electronic copy of them, after the period for requesting a recount had elapsed to make them available for public inspection.” 

so the "missing images" weren't required to be kept.

The office of Georgia Secretary of State sent the following statement by Raffensperger to Reuters via email: “Georgia votes with paper ballots, and all of the actual paper ballots from November’s election were counted three times, including a 100 percent hand recount in which teams of poll workers touched and saw every vote cast. There is zero doubt that three counts of the ballots resulted in conclusive results on who won the election in Georgia. Wishful thinking by conspiracy theorists cannot change the outcome, no matter what immaterial technicality they claim to have identified this week.”

recounted 3 times.

sorry you guys lost. duh lol

The question is which laws were changed to make voting fraud easier and which laws were not capable of preventing fraud?

 

[pjmret]

The question is which laws were changed to make voting fraud easier and which laws were not capable of preventing fraud?

feel free to research your own questions. stop being so lazy.
then work to get them changed, as is your right as an american citizen.

 

[mark francis]

and requiring voter ids makes it harder for valid voters to vote.
there is a tradeoff here of right to vote with voting security.
this is not complicated stuff.

Are you saying you would rather have open cheating in elections than go to the trouble of getting a valid license to vote?

 

[pjmret]

Are you saying you would rather have open cheating in elections than go to the trouble of getting a valid license to vote?

i am saying there is a tradeoff in right to vote versus election security, and if you don't understand that, i can't help you.

we will always have some degree on cheating in elections, no matter what you do. or are you stupid enough to think you can magically end it? lol

 

[mark francis]

i am saying there is a tradeoff in right to vote versus election security, and if you don't understand that, i can't help you.

we will always have some degree on cheating in elections, no matter what you do. or are you stupid enough to think you can magically end it? lol

What kind of tradeoff? One that allows crooks to continue cheating in spite of voter ID requirements?

 

[pjmret]

What kind of tradeoff? One that allows crooks to continue cheating in spite of voter ID requirements?

yes, that's what tradeoffs are. duh.
there is a push/pull going on here, you want every eligible voter to vote and conversely.
the harder to you make it to vote by more stringent voter ID requirements, the less fraud, but it also reduces eligible voters.
you have to find the right balance point.

is this too difficult a concept for you?

 

[mark francis]

yes, that's what tradeoffs are. duh.
there is a push/pull going on here, you want every eligible voter to vote and conversely.
the harder to you make it to vote by more stringent voter ID requirements, the less fraud, but it also reduces eligible voters.
you have to find the right balance point.

is this too difficult a concept for you?

How does requiring an ID put unfair restrictions on who can drive cars or requiring voter IDs put unfair restrictions on who can legitimately vote?

 

[pjmret]

How does requiring an ID put unfair restrictions on who can drive cars or requiring voter IDs put unfair restrictions on who can legitimately vote?

so this illustrates the fundamental ignorance at play here.

driving a car is a privilege.
voting is a right.

there is nothing wrong with making it harder to take advantage of a privilege.
but for exercising your right to vote it should be the least restrictive whenever possible, the fewest barriers possible.

requiring voter ids takes time, money, etc, which is harder on poor people, disabled, etc. but republicans don't care so much about them apparently.

 

[mark francis]

so this illustrates the fundamental ignorance at play here.

driving a car is a privilege.
voting is a right.

there is nothing wrong with making it harder to take advantage of a privilege.
but for exercising your right to vote it should be the least restrictive whenever possible, the fewest barriers possible.

requiring voter ids takes time, money, etc, which is harder on poor people, disabled, etc. but republicans don't care so much about them apparently.

Wrong. Voting securities should not be removed to please certain voters who have a history of lawlessness.

 

[pjmret]

Wrong. Voting securities should not be removed to please certain voters who have a history of lawlessness.

sorry i'm correct. voting is a right and not a privilege. all citizens have a right to vote, regardless of the right's attempt to make it harder for certain undesirable voters to vote.

 

[mark francis]

sorry i'm correct. voting is a right and not a privilege. all citizens have a right to vote, regardless of the right's attempt to make it harder for certain undesirable voters to vote.

No, making voting more susceptible to fraud is not a right or a privilege.

 

[pjmret]

No, making voting more susceptible to fraud is not a right or a privilege.

well all i can say is that anyone who doesn't understand the tradeoffs here isn't very bright.

 

[mark francis]

well all i can say is that anyone who doesn't understand the tradeoffs here isn't very bright.

You talk of trading the security of a person's vote for other people's comfort and ease, yet you do not offer any workable plan for eliminating theft of American votes by fraud.

 

[Phoenix68]

How can we make sure voters do not vote more than once in a single election?

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Avoiding a typical / "conservative" search for some new "evil", within the 21st Century, would be a good start!!!
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