House poised to apologize for slavery, Jim Crow

[BigRob]

Cannibalism and hurricanes are going to bit too far Gensen.

One thing for sure is it's hard to drag a white slave holder's descendents out of the woodlpile now and get him to admit what his ancestors did to black people. Have to get on yer bedsheet and pointy hat to hear that cause they only brag about that at 'gathruns' anymore.

Well if their families are anything like mine, we did not even arrive in this country until after the Civil War. So why do I need to pay reparations exactly?

 

[PLC1]

So, the border is still porous, the budget is still half a trillion or so out of balance, Social Security is on the rocks, Bin Laden and his henchmen are still thumbing their collective noses at us, there is still no real way to get out of Iraq, the price of gas is still over $4, the dollar is bleeding, but starting to rally, we're still spending 18% of our GDP on a health care system that leaves out 50 million or so, our educational system seems unable to keep up with that of other advanced nations, and the House is debating... an apology for slavery!!??

That sounds about right.

Isn't it about time we had a government that works?

Balance the budget, secure the border, get out of Iraq without leaving a wider war behind, then by all means, debate trivia if you must.

What a circus.

 

[Libsmasher]

Cannibalism and hurricanes are going to bit too far Gensen.

One thing for sure is it's hard to drag a white slave holder's descendents out of the woodlpile now and get him to admit what his ancestors did to black people. Have to get on yer bedsheet and pointy hat to hear that cause they only brag about that at 'gathruns' anymore.

Race Card number (ka-ching!) 188

 

[Libsmasher]

Well if their families are anything like mine, we did not even arrive in this country until after the Civil War. So why do I need to pay reparations exactly?

Why try to reason with him? He'll just say you have a bed sheet and a pointy hat.

 

[texas-vet]

So, the border is still porous, the budget is still half a trillion or so out of balance, Social Security is on the rocks, Bin Laden and his henchmen are still thumbing their collective noses at us, there is still no real way to get out of Iraq, the price of gas is still over $4, the dollar is bleeding, but starting to rally, we're still spending 18% of our GDP on a health care system that leaves out 50 million or so, our educational system seems unable to keep up with that of other advanced nations, and the House is debating... an apology for slavery!!??

That sounds about right.

Isn't it about time we had a government that works?

Balance the budget, secure the border, get out of Iraq without leaving a wider war behind, then by all means, debate trivia if you must.

What a circus.

We have agovernment that works, it is the politicians that are ruining us.

 

[GenSeneca]

So, the border is still porous, the budget is still half a trillion or so out of balance, Social Security is on the rocks, Bin Laden and his henchmen are still thumbing their collective noses at us, there is still no real way to get out of Iraq, the price of gas is still over $4, the dollar is bleeding, but starting to rally, we're still spending 18% of our GDP on a health care system that leaves out 50 million or so, our educational system seems unable to keep up with that of other advanced nations, and the House is debating... an apology for slavery!!??

That sounds about right.

Isn't it about time we had a government that works?

Balance the budget, secure the border, get out of Iraq without leaving a wider war behind, then by all means, debate trivia if you must.

What a circus.

Now Barny Frank is shifting Congressional attention to the Drug War... Our new priority will be to stop arresting Pot smokers and people in possession of less than a quarter pound.... Takling the toughest issues first...

 

[PLC1]

Now Barny Frank is shifting Congressional attention to the Drug War... Our new priority will be to stop arresting Pot smokers and people in possession of less than a quarter pound.... Takling the toughest issues first...

Wow, now that restores my faith in government. They're going to start with the tough question of pot smokers. Maybe next, they'll take on the secondary issue of balancing the federal budget. I may just become a ... a ... let's see, which one is it that favors more government power to enforce drug laws again? Is it the liberals who favor strong government, or the conservatives who favor the war on drugs? Sometimes, I get the two mixed up.

Texas vet says:

We have agovernment that works, it is the politicians that are ruining us.

Good point. The problem is that it is the politicians who are running the government. It's time to fire the lot of them and start over with a government of the people.

 

[UShadItComing]

We have agovernment that works, it is the politicians that are ruining us.

You have a constitution which could work with a bit of fixing. The government is the politicians. The illegal aliens problem is simply a matter of unscrupulous employers providing jobs for illegals because of their greed to make mor profits. Now that has become a situation where those employers have businesses which are not viable if they needed to pay even the new minimum wage. The obvious solution to the problem is to stop the practice now and let it grandfather itself out of existence. It won't happen of course and the problem will not be fixed until they are granted amnesty.

 

[BigRob]

The obvious solution to the problem is to stop the practice now and let it grandfather itself out of existence. It won't happen of course and the problem will not be fixed until they are granted amnesty.

We heard that exact line before. We granted amnesty. And it did not solve anything.

 

[PLC1]

We heard that exact line before. We granted amnesty. And it did not solve anything.

Not only did it not solve the problem, but the flood of illegals quickly became a torrent when word got around that there was amnesty to be had. The last thing we need is a repeat of the mid '80s amnesty experiment.

 

[UShadItComing]

We heard that exact line before. We granted amnesty. And it did not solve anything.

You and PLC seem to be deliberately ignoring what I said. You have to grant amnesty only perhaps not actively but in the same manner as you are now granting amnesty. The solution lies in not allowing employers to create more jobs for illegals and that becomes a question of how actively your government pursues those which already exist. THis is what grandfathering means. As an illegal leaves the workforce due to any number of reasons then a new illegal must not be allowed to step in to fill his/her place. This could even be something as simple as a seasonal vacating of employment and then a rehiring of illegals for the next season/project/whatever.

It's solution rooted in social and socialist thinking becaus it lessens the effect of reversing bad practices for everyone. More extreme socialism would be to just open up the borders and let Americans try to compete with Mexicans or other illegals.

Or would that be a capitalist solution? (snicker) Free trade in it's truest sense? Exporting jobs to China?

 

[BigRob]

You and PLC seem to be deliberately ignoring what I said. You have to grant amnesty only perhaps not actively but in the same manner as you are now granting amnesty. The solution lies in not allowing employers to create more jobs for illegals and that becomes a question of how actively your government pursues those which already exist. THis is what grandfathering means. As an illegal leaves the workforce due to any number of reasons then a new illegal must not be allowed to step in to fill his/her place. This could even be something as simple as a seasonal vacating of employment and then a rehiring of illegals for the next season/project/whatever.

This all sounds fine, except that the Left throws a fit anytime this is brought up. What is the point of having a law if we do not plan to enforce it? New Mexico passed a law that fined companies for hiring illegals, and guess what, they all left. They come here to work, if they cannot work, they will leave.

It's solution rooted in social and socialist thinking becaus it lessens the effect of reversing bad practices for everyone. More extreme socialism would be to just open up the borders and let Americans try to compete with Mexicans or other illegals.

Or would that be a capitalist solution? (snicker) Free trade in it's truest sense? Exporting jobs to China?

I personally do not care if jobs are sent overseas. This economy is not based on manufacturing, and it is certainly not based on agriculture. Since you are so open to discussing economics now, how about we discuss specialization of resources and comparative advantage and how they are a benefit.

 

[SusanConstant]

Slavery as an institution was tragic and a crime against humanity. However, I will never apologize for slavery as it made me who and what I am. It intrinsically shaped me a person. It forged my golden self.

Slavery was the cause that produced several exceptional human beings; slavery realized them as they had to fight. It produced Douglass, Sojourner Truth, John Brown, Malcolm X, William lloyd Garrison and even Jefferson. There are countless, namelss others who committed gross acts of courage and bravery and who broke the law with full knowing and so volunteered to suffer and die on my behalf. I am a product of all those who came before me and all events that transpired before I was born.

Other nations brag that they did not own slaves. Yes, and what did you then produce? What did you become? Learning to own our crimes and our mistakes made America something like nothing else on Earth as other nations did have slaves -they called them wives, children, farm labor and servants. Those nations did not have to fight a Revolution severals times over or act when all odds were against them; those citizens not once had to stand in a moment and step out on faith alone and so bet upon everything they thought they knew and believed as real when the whole world was telling them something different and when they were facing certain death if they even made an attempt.

I have thought long and hard about slavery and it is all together a different thing to give up or allow something to gradually wither than it is to fight and scream and defy the so-called authority; to suffer and die for what you believe as you refuse to be a willing victim. It is is not the same thing as hanging around waiting for it to happen or waiting for another to give it to you. That isn't liberty; that does not produce giants and heroes; it does not give birth to a soul.

I thank God every day of my life for any person who was a slave who made the reasoned decison to run, for any slave that defied their victimization by learning to read or by preserving their Native culture, for any person who protested and became violent if neccessary and for any person who then went to a poll and voted it out of existence either by paper ballot or bullet. If it were not for these people and for slavery I would not be who I am today as they were first; they set the example. The founders gave them the very same tools they had and then they learned how to use those tools against their opressors. Slaves did what had never been done before: They liberated their own selves first from actual chains and then imaginary chains in other people's heads; they fought a war to secure the piece of paper that lasted until 1954 when black males won actual legal power via Brown. Then, they still had to live that paper out and we are yet engaged in this battle today as women are still excluded. Women have never recived the paper from the Supreme Court and so other people believe women and children are garbage and treat them like it.

Slavery taught me the lessons school could not. That's how I then learned to fight for my own self and to come to define my own self.

Do you think I ever would have entered US Supreme Court pro se upon authority and orignal jurisdiction with no college degree, $1.27 in the bank and no experience as a lawyer if not for these people and slavery? I was of the ability, the opportunity existed, because of slavery and in spite of slavery. It was not coincidence i entered fedral court on April 4th, 2007 - the aniversary of King's death. I decided to go that Wenesday; I had no idea it was April 4th. I thought: Wednesday, not April 4th. I was scared and all people I knew called me crazy, stupid and foolish and said that I was going to get myself shot for saying what I was saying out loud. A person volunteered to go with me but I knew he was then going to try to talk me out of it so I made the decison to go no matter whaty he said or did. I waited early that morning and the news ran a story about King. I said: I hear you God. Martin Luther King, I promise to go today. Nothing will stop me from filing today. I will not let anyone scare me or frighten me; I will not let anyone intimidate me.

Sure enough this guy tried it and even refused to walk next to me as he was terrified someone was going to attack me. Then the clerk tried to use the idea of money to stop me from filing. Then federal judges committed several crimes. I kept invoking the people who came before me and kept rattling those cast off chains until I was before US Supreme Court. By then I did not expect any of the Justices to obey the law due to the exact words of the clerks, exact actions and do to all the facts of our nation and the people who are Justices today. But none of that stopped me as a filing and hearing in this court is forever and so I did what slaves did: I left all of the self evidence I could. I might never recieve justice in my lifetime. I might even see my nation sink into the abyss - go out of esitence - but a person who comes after me might use what I left behind in order to secure justice or to even institute a new, just government.

Slaves and slavery taught me: I'm the just cause and then other people are the just cause as we were their reasoning.

We could have come to know this w/o slavery but history is fact. I cannot change what has already happened. All I can do is deal with the now, as it is and so own it and use to my advantage by finding the true purpose and meaning within and behind the struggle.

I will not become a better person by saying "I'm sorry" but I will and did become a better person by saying "thank you". Saying that very first thank you led to saying thank you by filing in federal court on behalf of all Americans dead and alive not only myself or only women.

I was able to write: I appear to be Irish or Scottish but I am not that. That history is not my own. When Malcolm placed an X after his name he placed an X upon my own heart and so I too went looking for my real parents...I will always and forever have one foot firmly planted in Africa and the other in North America among the Natives, but I am all these things across the world as the founders - all of them including myself - brought the planet and then the universe to me and so I am: Uniquely American.

This Congress, this Excutive and this Judiciary does not speak for me or reppresent me in any way. This is not America; it is not law. I do not want or need any person apologizing for what I am not sorry for and for what made me more able and more capapble than he or she is. That aplogy is a meanignless action meant for show. Let that person tell me what he or she came to be because of slavery. What are you so sorry for??? Wait! Are you saying the reason you became a dead, lawless, corrupted, travesty of justice as an elected official is because of slavery??? For that you gotta blame your own self and apologize for what you are not doing with your life!

 

[PLC1]

Slavery as an institution was tragic and a crime against humanity. However, I will never apologize for slavery as it made me who and what I am. It intrinsically shaped me a person. It forged my golden self.

Slavery was the cause that produced several exceptional human beings; slavery realized them as they had to fight. It produced Douglass, Sojourner Truth, John Brown, Malcolm X, William lloyd Garrison and even Jefferson. There are countless, namelss others who committed gross acts of courage and bravery and who broke the law with full knowing and so volunteered to suffer and die on my behalf. I am a product of all those who came before me and all events that transpired before I was born.

Other nations brag that they did not own slaves. Yes, and what did you then produce? What did you become? Learning to own our crimes and our mistakes made America something like nothing else on Earth as other nations did have slaves -they called them wives, children, farm labor and servants. Those nations did not have to fight a Revolution severals times over or act when all odds were against them; those citizens not once had to stand in a moment and step out on faith alone and so bet upon everything they thought they knew and believed as real when the whole world was telling them something different and when they were facing certain death if they even made an attempt.

I have thought long and hard about slavery and it is all together a different thing to give up or allow something to gradually wither than it is to fight and scream and defy the so-called authority; to suffer and die for what you believe as you refuse to be a willing victim. It is is not the same thing as hanging around waiting for it to happen or waiting for another to give it to you. That isn't liberty; that does not produce giants and heroes; it does not give birth to a soul.

I thank God every day of my life for any person who was a slave who made the reasoned decison to run, for any slave that defied their victimization by learning to read or by preserving their Native culture, for any person who protested and became violent if neccessary and for any person who then went to a poll and voted it out of existence either by paper ballot or bullet. If it were not for these people and for slavery I would not be who I am today as they were first; they set the example. The founders gave them the very same tools they had and then they learned how to use those tools against their opressors. Slaves did what had never been done before: They liberated their own selves first from actual chains and then imaginary chains in other people's heads; they fought a war to secure the piece of paper that lasted until 1954 when black males won actual legal power via Brown. Then, they still had to live that paper out and we are yet engaged in this battle today as women are still excluded. Women have never recived the paper from the Supreme Court and so other people believe women and children are garbage and treat them like it.

Slavery taught me the lessons school could not. That's how I then learned to fight for my own self and to come to define my own self.

Do you think I ever would have entered US Supreme Court pro se upon authority and orignal jurisdiction with no college degree, $1.27 in the bank and no experience as a lawyer if not for these people and slavery? I was of the ability, the opportunity existed, because of slavery and in spite of slavery. It was not coincidence i entered fedral court on April 4th, 2007 - the aniversary of King's death. I decided to go that Wenesday; I had no idea it was April 4th. I thought: Wednesday, not April 4th. I was scared and all people I knew called me crazy, stupid and foolish and said that I was going to get myself shot for saying what I was saying out loud. A person volunteered to go with me but I knew he was then going to try to talk me out of it so I made the decison to go no matter whaty he said or did. I waited early that morning and the news ran a story about King. I said: I hear you God. Martin Luther King, I promise to go today. Nothing will stop me from filing today. I will not let anyone scare me or frighten me; I will not let anyone intimidate me.

Sure enough this guy tried it and even refused to walk next to me as he was terrified someone was going to attack me. Then the clerk tried to use the idea of money to stop me from filing. Then federal judges committed several crimes. I kept invoking the people who came before me and kept rattling those cast off chains until I was before US Supreme Court. By then I did not expect any of the Justices to obey the law due to the exact words of the clerks, exact actions and do to all the facts of our nation and the people who are Justices today. But none of that stopped me as a filing and hearing in this court is forever and so I did what slaves did: I left all of the self evidence I could. I might never recieve justice in my lifetime. I might even see my nation sink into the abyss - go out of esitence - but a person who comes after me might use what I left behind in order to secure justice or to even institute a new, just government.

Slaves and slavery taught me: I'm the just cause and then other people are the just cause as we were their reasoning.

We could have come to know this w/o slavery but history is fact. I cannot change what has already happened. All I can do is deal with the now, as it is and so own it and use to my advantage by finding the true purpose and meaning within and behind the struggle.

I will not become a better person by saying "I'm sorry" but I will and did become a better person by saying "thank you". Saying that very first thank you led to saying thank you by filing in federal court on behalf of all Americans dead and alive not only myself or only women.

I was able to write: I appear to be Irish or Scottish but I am not that. That history is not my own. When Malcolm placed an X after his name he placed an X upon my own heart and so I too went looking for my real parents...I will always and forever have one foot firmly planted in Africa and the other in North America among the Natives, but I am all these things across the world as the founders - all of them including myself - brought the planet and then the universe to me and so I am: Uniquely American.

This Congress, this Excutive and this Judiciary does not speak for me or reppresent me in any way. This is not America; it is not law. I do not want or need any person apologizing for what I am not sorry for and for what made me more able and more capapble than he or she is. That aplogy is a meanignless action meant for show. Let that person tell me what he or she came to be because of slavery. What are you so sorry for??? Wait! Are you saying the reason you became a dead, lawless, corrupted, travesty of justice as an elected official is because of slavery??? For that you gotta blame your own self and apologize for what you are not doing with your life!

Having skimmed that marathon post, it appears that you don't believe that we should apologize for slavery. I agree. In fact, any modern day African American should be glad that his/her ancestors were sold into slavery. Sure, it was a bad thing for the ancestors, but it is a net positive for modern blacks.

BTW, do you write those posts yourself, or copy them from somewhere? Most of us post the more salient points of someone else's writing, then give a link.

 

[UShadItComing]

susan posts good informative articles but if your brain is full PLC then they're not for you. Don't drive away quality posters from this forum because they make posts you don't have the time to read. If you weren't in such a big hurry you maybe wouldn't have made your stupid mistake of thinking I wrote something I didn't.