Rigged Nomination

We all know you spend your weekends dressed like a Stormtrooper and hanging out at the YMCA.

1) It's foolish to claim the Founding Fathers were socialists.

Spouting more lies, and ignorance, does not improve your argument any.

More Jefferson quotes:

Agriculture, manufacturers, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are then most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.

On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement.

I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people' (10th Amendment). To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible to any definition.

None of which refutes the one I posted. You are trying to do the usual right wing thing, and deflect from the original comment. Quite typical of you.

2) You support Darrell Castle and socialism??

The country was founded on a certain form of "socialism". The Founders called it the "social compact", and Christ called it compassion for others.

http://www.americassurvivalguide.com/social-compact.php
 
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Try to refute any of these statements if you can:
  • Sanders supports Hillary, an incompetent war-monger.
  • Hillary is a corrupt tool of Wall Street and foreign dictators.
  • The Clinton crime family has betrayed the American people.
  • Communism = mass murder and tyranny.
Or if you prefer you could continue to throw tantrums.


Already have. You're just too ignorant to understand.

Hammerhead says:
"Stop whining and relax. You sound like you are about to cry. lol"

And yet you are the one with the wet keyboard.
 
The country was founded on a certain form of "socialism". The Founders called it the "social compact", and Christ called it compassion for others.
Did Christ say we should force people to act charitably?

How about Darrel Castle and the Constitution Party - are they associated with socialism?

The Constitution Party says: America was founded on the economic principles of the “free enterprise” system. An individual was free to operate his business under the law without government intervention and regulation.
This economic system is being replaced by public (government) – private partnerships. This system is called fascism. The Constitution Party is opposed to public-private partnerships and is for a return to the true “free enterprise” system that once made our nation great and economically prosperous.

That's the opposite of socialism!

Can you admit now that you are a big liar?

And yet you are the one with the wet keyboard.
Your keyboard is covered by a viscous substance produced when you focus on naked pictures of old crank Bernie Sanders. Gross.
 
What the... what happened to this thread? I don't even know what is being debated any longer.

Instead of attacking the person, wouldn't it be more beneficial to attack the arguments? Guess not.
 
If I acted every time there would be no content and I would be villified.
So the forum rules are just to maybe produce some voluntary compliance by anyone who might choose to follow them because they have no "teeth". Well you could do what I did in my forum. I had a separate moderator login and a participant login and the moderator login never posted so no one knew who the moderator was. That way I could enforce the rules without being vilified.

And as you have demonstrated a willingness to do exactly what you would have another not I seem to be justified.
He did it first and I responded in kind in the hope he would see such BS is not productive nor mature behavior. I failed. It didn't work. But I felt I had to try something since you hadn't stepped in. So see? You're "villified" anyway now. LOL!

But if you view me as an abject failure by all means contact Walter and demand you replace me. You are perfectly welcome to my exorbitant compensation package AND key to the executive bathroom. I look forward to my pink slip.
Just ribbing you but you are welcome to replace me. Walter is a nice guy.
I'm sure, but no thanks. I don't have time and besides I've had enough of chasing down and disciplining children. Have a good day.
 
So the forum rules are just to maybe produce some voluntary compliance by anyone who might choose to follow them because they have no "teeth". Well you could do what I did in my forum. I had a separate moderator login and a participant login and the moderator login never posted so no one knew who the moderator was. That way I could enforce the rules without being vilified.


He did it first and I responded in kind in the hope he would see such BS is not productive nor mature behavior. I failed. It didn't work. But I felt I had to try something since you hadn't stepped in. So see? You're "villified" anyway now. LOL!


I'm sure, but no thanks. I don't have time and besides I've had enough of chasing down and disciplining children. Have a good day.
As always all whine and no cheese.
What would you do over serious personal attacks I wonder ?
Matters not, you are less innocent than you believe yourself to be.
 
Did Christ say we should force people to act charitably?
Did Christ say we should only have capitalism? Did Christ say "government IS the problem"? Did Christ say we should cut the taxes on the rich? We could play this game all day.

How about Darrel Castle and the Constitution Party - are they associated with socialism?

The Constitution Party says: America was founded on the economic principles of the “free enterprise” system. An individual was free to operate his business under the law without government intervention and regulation.
But that's BS by Darrel Castle. The U.S. was not founded on any economic system and the Constitution doesn't mention any particular economic system.

This economic system is being replaced by public (government) – private partnerships. This system is called fascism. The Constitution Party is opposed to public-private partnerships and is for a return to the true “free enterprise” system that once made our nation great and economically prosperous.
Riiiiight. Think about it.

That's the opposite of socialism!
So what's your point?

Can you admit now that you are a big liar?
You seem to find it impossible to restrain yourself from insulting and attacking people. You would do well to look deeply into why that is.

And then you resort to more childish nonsense that I won't dignify with a comment. Egad.
 
But that's BS by Darrel Castle. The U.S. was not founded on any economic system and the Constitution doesn't mention any particular economic system.


Riiiiight. Think about it.


So what's your point?
Old_Trapper70 and I have been discussing the subject.

You seem to find it impossible to restrain yourself from insulting and attacking people.
You did the same thing so stop crying already.

And then you resort to more childish nonsense that I won't dignify with a comment.
Can you maintain your dignity while licking the boots of would-be Communist dictator (and pervert) Bernie Sanders?
 
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Jesus would have us teaching people to fish, not the government.
Government would eliminate charity I'f it could (aND it's working hard on that)
 
You did the same thing so stop crying already.
Yes, as a repayment to you to show you the pointlessness of childish ranting, but it didn't phase you. You continue to do it, so I have resorted to normal adult responses to a child. You again aren't phased and continue to be a child.

Can you maintain your dignity while licking the boots of would-be Communist dictator (and pervert) Bernie Sanders?
There you go. See? No rational argument. No decency. No adult discussion. I proved your article is a lie and that you have no evidence that Bernie is a communist. But you ignore it and just persist repeating the same empty lies over and over and over and over and over. There is no truth and no legitimate defense of your last statement/accusation. It's just another repetition. Yet you want discussion? LOL!!
 
As always all whine and no cheese.
What would you do over serious personal attacks I wonder ?
Matters not, you are less innocent than you believe yourself to be.
Know what? You are acting like a typical right winger and like Hammerhead: failure to address serious conversation; belittling insults of reasonable comments that you don't like; personal insults/attacks.

And yet you and all your right wing friends and their right wing insanity and biases and spin and flailing don't matter because the nation is moving in the direction of what you hate: organized power in the hands of the people and socialism. Capitalism is all but over and you cling with all the standard, worn out objections and defenses.

I don't know why I bother. None of it matters. It's all but over.
 
Did Christ say we should force people to act charitably?

Not sure what that has to do with anything, however, what did God say would happen if you didn't? Do you have a clue?

How about Darrel Castle and the Constitution Party - are they associated with socialism?

The Constitution Party says: America was founded on the economic principles of the “free enterprise” system. An individual was free to operate his business under the law without government intervention and regulation.
This economic system is being replaced by public (government) – private partnerships. This system is called fascism. The Constitution Party is opposed to public-private partnerships and is for a return to the true “free enterprise” system that once made our nation great and economically prosperous.

That's the opposite of socialism!

Not at all. If you were to read the articles I posted, and you never do even though you think you know so much about everything, you would see where both can coexist under what is called the "Social Compact". In the society you envision, and others like you, every one is on his own, and there is no need for a neighbor to help another. Your house burns down, tough shit. You get robbed, lay there and die as long as you are not a "burden" on others.

Can you admit now that you are a big liar?

I'll admit you are an ignorant fool incapable of learning.

Your keyboard is covered by a viscous substance produced when you focus on naked pictures of old crank Bernie Sanders. Gross.

Nah. Your looking at your keyboard after you get through playing with your dog.
 
Know what? You are acting like a typical right winger and like Hammerhead: failure to address serious conversation; belittling insults of reasonable comments that you don't like; personal insults/attacks.

And yet you and all your right wing friends and their right wing insanity and biases and spin and flailing don't matter because the nation is moving in the direction of what you hate: organized power in the hands of the people and socialism. Capitalism is all but over and you cling with all the standard, worn out objections and defenses.

I don't know why I bother. None of it matters. It's all but over.
Keep thinking that.
It's dying in europe and only folKS like you with your blinders firmly in place don't see it.
 
Keep thinking that.
It's dying in europe and only folKS like you with your blinders firmly in place don't see it.


Yes, capitalism as you believe it to be is dying. Socialism, however, is prospering where they know how to utilize both systems so that all can equally share in the profits. Even Adam Smith understood this: Try understanding the true ideology of capitalism. Should I highlight the more relevant parts for you? Like those dealing with morality, and principles?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fixcapitalism/adam-smith-a-theory-of-mo_b_9603224.html

"Indeed, comparing Theory of Moral Sentiments with Wealth of Nations tends to demonstrate how, throughout his life, Smith, like his friend and fellow philosopher David Hume and other thinkers of those times, was concerned with trying to discover the best way to balance the observed and undeniable reality of the principle of self-interest with other, higher, restraining moral factors. He was NOT proposing that self-interest is all that matters and all that is necessary to form and regulate human individuals and societies.


Unlike the “invisible hand,” buried in its marginal place in the later book, Smith placed principles other than self-interest front and center in his earlier book:

“How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortunes of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it. Of this kind is pity or compassion, the emotion we feel for the misery of others, when we either see it, or are made to conceive it in a very lively manner. That we often derive sorrow from the sorrows of others, is a matter of fact too obvious to require any instances to prove it; for this sentiment, like all the other original passions of human nature, is by no means confined to the virtuous or the humane, though they perhaps may feel it with the most exquisite sensibility. The greatest ruffian, the most hardened violator of the laws of society, is not altogether without it.”

[Smith, notably, was writing before the first early diagnoses, in the early nineteenth century, of the condition we now call psychopathy, which was called “moral insanity,” and refers to people who generally lack any vestige of the moral sentiments Smith described and assumed. Psychopaths may be the only people who truly exist in a mental world of pure, unadultered self-interest (and vice versa?).]

In The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Smith acknowledged that the moral capacity of individual humans is, however, limited by the “weakness of [their] powers” and the “narrowness of [their] comprehension,” such that “The administration of the great system of the universe . . . the care of the universal happiness of all rational and sensible beings, is the business of God and not of man.” Nor did Smith offer any simple, pat, “feel-good” conventional answers about the fundamental nature of morality; he was well aware of many of the problematic aspects that plague any theory of morality, including its relationship with self-interest and the difficulty of finding a truly objective grounding for morality—the problem famously explored by Smith’s friend Hume and referred to by philosophers as “Hume’s Guillotine.” The “invisible hand” also made a brief earlier appearance in the earlier book in a passage reflecting Smith’s characteristically Enlightenment-era faith in social systems such as societies and economies ultimately acting in a self-balancing, self-correcting fashion."
 
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Yes, capitalism as you believe it to be is dying. Socialism, however, is prospering where they know how to utilize both systems so that all can equally share in the profits. Even Adam Smith understood this: Try understanding the true ideology of capitalism. Should I highlight the more relevant parts for you? Like those dealing with morality, and principles?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fixcapitalism/adam-smith-a-theory-of-mo_b_9603224.html

"Indeed, comparing Theory of Moral Sentiments with Wealth of Nations tends to demonstrate how, throughout his life, Smith, like his friend and fellow philosopher David Hume and other thinkers of those times, was concerned with trying to discover the best way to balance the observed and undeniable reality of the principle of self-interest with other, higher, restraining moral factors. He was NOT proposing that self-interest is all that matters and all that is necessary to form and regulate human individuals and societies.


Unlike the “invisible hand,” buried in its marginal place in the later book, Smith placed principles other than self-interest front and center in his earlier book:

“How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortunes of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it. Of this kind is pity or compassion, the emotion we feel for the misery of others, when we either see it, or are made to conceive it in a very lively manner. That we often derive sorrow from the sorrows of others, is a matter of fact too obvious to require any instances to prove it; for this sentiment, like all the other original passions of human nature, is by no means confined to the virtuous or the humane, though they perhaps may feel it with the most exquisite sensibility. The greatest ruffian, the most hardened violator of the laws of society, is not altogether without it.”

[Smith, notably, was writing before the first early diagnoses, in the early nineteenth century, of the condition we now call psychopathy, which was called “moral insanity,” and refers to people who generally lack any vestige of the moral sentiments Smith described and assumed. Psychopaths may be the only people who truly exist in a mental world of pure, unadultered self-interest (and vice versa?).]

In The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Smith acknowledged that the moral capacity of individual humans is, however, limited by the “weakness of [their] powers” and the “narrowness of [their] comprehension,” such that “The administration of the great system of the universe . . . the care of the universal happiness of all rational and sensible beings, is the business of God and not of man.” Nor did Smith offer any simple, pat, “feel-good” conventional answers about the fundamental nature of morality; he was well aware of many of the problematic aspects that plague any theory of morality, including its relationship with self-interest and the difficulty of finding a truly objective grounding for morality—the problem famously explored by Smith’s friend Hume and referred to by philosophers as “Hume’s Guillotine.” The “invisible hand” also made a brief earlier appearance in the earlier book in a passage reflecting Smith’s characteristically Enlightenment-era faith in social systems such as societies and economies ultimately acting in a self-balancing, self-correcting fashion."
What did I mention about blinders ?
 
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