Social Issues in Politics?

[Sandra Price]

Giving Thought to Social Issues in Politics

Much of my correspondence is a criticism of my unpopularity on the internet. Never having given much thought to this, I find that I have to defend my reputation online.

Politically, I am a Free Enterprise Capitalist. Having seen many years of the GOP heading into and out of this economic label, I am now castigated by the Republicans who came in as recently as 2000. It was a movement that was triggered by President Clinton’s adultery. Being unable to even discuss the Conservative agenda of Goldwater, Taft and Kelso, all the Conservatives wanted was government laws against sins. In reading and watching the Republican Candidates running in 2000, it reminded me of the Inquisitions of Europe when the Catholics set the government rules and stoned women and gays to death in the street. It even came to America under the Salem witch trials.

My statement to these terrified Social Conservatives was that the Constitution had no place for social issues and the 10th Amendment sent them to the individual states. My labels at that time called me the Whore of Babylon and the Daughter of Lucifer.

My political agenda has been a Secular Capitalist since my first vote for Ike in 1954. I’ve learned to live with others who believe they escaped danger simply by praying. I do not understand that if I can excuse their points of view, why can’t they forgive mine? It is simpler to hate than to understand.

Is it so necessary for people involved in politics to be loved rather than respected? I even taught my kids to direct themselves around what they perceive to be right over wrong and ignore peer pressure at all costs. I’ve done this for years in my support of my candidates. I resent any candidate running under the RNC when they have an agenda so hidden that it frightens a rational mind.

I am frightened by Fox News and fools like Rush Limbaugh. They have declared war on Liberals. They have gone so far as to label Republicans as RINOs (Republicans in Name Only). I do not support federal legislation against any social subject. I am therefore a RINO.

Well, folks, this branch of Conservatism under President Bush 43 has managed to destroy the Republican Party. It was divided the day Bush 43 took office. In my opinion, this same Bush destroyed the economy and killed any thought of Free Enterprise Capitalism. He allowed America to be taken down by corruption and greed. His agenda of forcing Democracy in the Middle East came very close to a third world war and we are not out of danger yet.

None of us wants to close a church but to silence the voice of intolerance within our debates. Forcing social issues in government is a death sentence on freedoms.

Sandra Price
January 17, 2009

 

[Cookie Parker]

Great comments. But the republican party was destroyed in 1980 with Reagan...and capitalism went out of style with the onset of the New World Order under every president since Eisenhower.

 

[Sandra Price]

Capitalism was destroyed in those early 80s. The GOP that guided me was very much in the first Reagan term. I had worked with the Reagans in 1964 in the Goldwater campaign. Social issues were never considered a federal authority. Reagan wanted no part of the One World Order and followed Ike in his warnings about an industrial military complex. The fear of Communism tore into the GOP and gathered up their fears of terrorism in Reagan's second term. It was Bush 41 that kicked the GOP into a One World Order Empire building. That did it for me. Reagan was making little rational decision in this term and did set the GOP back that enabled it to follow Bush 41 who had been his V.P.

I fought the hell out of that One World Order and was stunned at how quickly even my own party members fell into this Democracy by force that lost Bush his election.

Capitalism today is impossible as it is being driven by the religious right who want only a designated Christian America. This has happened all over the world where organized religion is found. Since I have been on line I have met only a handful of Republicans who can define Capitalism. I am way out of step with the voters. The American people have been terrorized to look to the government to save them from themselves. It is much greater than my feeble attempt to try and expose this stuff.

Hell, I'm older than dirt and can't stop trying to fight for individual rights. I do not need a thoroughly corrupt Congress to tell me what I must not do!

I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me this morning. I DO realize that Capitalism takes a government of honesty and integrity to clear the way for free enterprise and that we do not have at this time. I'm a dreamer which could be a form of senility.

 

[jrobert484]

Here's a perfect example of the type of Republican, Christian, Anti-Amerian you are talking about. I hate this guy!

http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4468

 

[jrobert484]

On a lighter note; we have a chance to finallly see the end of Southern Style politics in America. I thought this article was an interesting commentary on the kind of changes occurring in American politics under the up-coming era.



http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4484

 

[Sandra Price]

Ken Starr is the poster boy for everything in the GOP that I detest. I just sent an email on the subject of this horrible attempt at impeaching Clinton. Starr single handedly lowered the I.Q. of the Conservative movement. There is no hiding the fact that when these fools wanted Clinton impreached on adultery, it showed me where the GOP sat.

We are going to live in a socialistic situation since the feds own the banks. I would prefer a President who ran on individual freedoms over this hypocrisy called Social Conservatives. President Obama has my deepest respect. I believe he will clean up after Bush and will allow open dialog on a free economic system. It does not have to be called Capitalism. It just so happens that I learned this system of economics by that name.

This is a nice forum. So far, no insults....... I'm not used to this.

 

[Andy]

Ken Starr is the poster boy for everything in the GOP that I detest. I just sent an email on the subject of this horrible attempt at impeaching Clinton. Starr single handedly lowered the I.Q. of the Conservative movement. There is no hiding the fact that when these fools wanted Clinton impreached on adultery, it showed me where the GOP sat.

We are going to live in a socialistic situation since the feds own the banks. I would prefer a President who ran on individual freedoms over this hypocrisy called Social Conservatives. President Obama has my deepest respect. I believe he will clean up after Bush and will allow open dialog on a free economic system. It does not have to be called Capitalism. It just so happens that I learned this system of economics by that name.

This is a nice forum. So far, no insults....... I'm not used to this.

I see, so lying under oath, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and other laws that if you broke, you'd end up in jail for, are not grounds for impeachment of a president?

You are in favor of unequal protection of the law? You like a two-tier system were those in power are above the laws, that you are not?

This is interesting. Not many people are in favor of monarchy type systems in which those in power get away with everything.

 

[Sandra Price]

If you had watched and read the testimonies of the case against Clinton you would have seen that it was Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp who went after the Clinton/Monica's blue dress with his sperm on it. Much of the evidence regarding other issues were set in a different room that the Senate never bothered with.

The Senate could not continue with the impeachment. I was writing for a web site who ignored everything except the adultery and the Republicans went so far as to suggest that they design a "Sin Amendment" to cover adultery, homosexuality and a list of sins that must be stamped out. I put together a top ten items that the GOP should be working on before the 2000 election. I was contacted by Gary Bauer's organizer who wanted to use my list. I gave him permission to use it as is. The night of the GOP debate, he read my list but added a prohibition on gays and abortions. I was glad he did not give me any credit as those were not part of the agenda.

There was a great book written about Ken Starr that pretty much exposed his weaknesses and how he handled the impeachment itself. "Truth at Any Cost" is the name of this book and it explains how Starr screwed it up.

I am a firm believer in a balanced federal government with each side having oversight over the actions of the other side. Clinton broke so many laws while in office and the Republicans sat on their hands. At this time we have seen Bush trashing the Constitution and the Democrats did nothing about the corruption.

If you want a one-sided commentary on either party, please don't read my commentaries. I battle corruption on one party over the other. Neither party was worthy of my vote in November and I wrote in Ron Paul....shoot me!

 

[GenSeneca]

Sandra,

Welcome to the HOP.

I also don't like either party but my ideology is CaLiCo: Capitalist, Libertarian, Conservative and I advocate for purely Non-Statist policies. We can cut many of the social arguments out of politics by focusing on Non-Statist policy. Its when you use a statist policy to force your social beliefs "down the throats" of others that people tend to respond in kind and get pretty worked up about it in the process.

When you say you're a "Secular Capitalist", what do you mean? Are you using the term Secular in a religious sense or as a social, non-statist, term? I'm non-religious but have no problems with non-statist theists.

I think you are confused as to the context in which people like Limbaugh use the term RINO. The Left likes to push their statist social agenda just as much as the right. RINO's, in my understanding, are those who are either on board with the Left on those social issues or willing to compromise conservative principles in hopes of gaining favor with the Left. McCain, Mr. Maverick, is a classic RINO: big government statist willing to sell out his base to curry favor with the Media and the Left. If you're a Paulian, I can't imagine you have much in common with McCain.

I'm with you on the Ron Paul style of Libertarian/Conservatism. We need more Conservatives like him in Washington and around the US in general.

In closing... Have fun defending Capitalism. I've got quite a bit of experience on the topic and the most amazing thing to me is the amount of people who don't seem to have the slightest clue what Capitalism is all about. They hear Capitalism, equate it to complete Anarchy, and craft strawmen arguments against it based on their false perception.

 

[Andy]

If you had watched and read the testimonies of the case against Clinton you would have seen that it was Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp who went after the Clinton/Monica's blue dress with his sperm on it. Much of the evidence regarding other issues were set in a different room that the Senate never bothered with.

The Senate could not continue with the impeachment. I was writing for a web site who ignored everything except the adultery and the Republicans went so far as to suggest that they design a "Sin Amendment" to cover adultery, homosexuality and a list of sins that must be stamped out. I put together a top ten items that the GOP should be working on before the 2000 election. I was contacted by Gary Bauer's organizer who wanted to use my list. I gave him permission to use it as is. The night of the GOP debate, he read my list but added a prohibition on gays and abortions. I was glad he did not give me any credit as those were not part of the agenda.

There was a great book written about Ken Starr that pretty much exposed his weaknesses and how he handled the impeachment itself. "Truth at Any Cost" is the name of this book and it explains how Starr screwed it up.

I am a firm believer in a balanced federal government with each side having oversight over the actions of the other side. Clinton broke so many laws while in office and the Republicans sat on their hands. At this time we have seen Bush trashing the Constitution and the Democrats did nothing about the corruption.

If you want a one-sided commentary on either party, please don't read my commentaries. I battle corruption on one party over the other. Neither party was worthy of my vote in November and I wrote in Ron Paul....shoot me!

I did watch and read the testimonies during the Starr investigation. He proved that Clinton had lied under oath. I don't give a rip about what some group somewhere said about some "sin amendment". It doesn't matter to me. That is simply you erecting a straw-man to avoid the question of whether Clinton committed Perjury, obstruction of Justice, and witness tampering, as well as a few dozen others.

Now, I'll ask again... should the president be held accountable for committing felony offenses that you would be imprisoned for, or not?

Ok, I'll bite. What exactly did Bush do that "trashed the constitution"?

 

[laughinatreps]

Ok, I'll bite. What exactly did Bush do that "trashed the constitution"?

Please tell me you are being sarcastic, and facetious. If not, then you are just feigning ignorance, (or you really are ignorant, I don't know) or maybe (and most likely), you just can't bring yourself to see the current potus for what he really was: a fraud and a puppet.

 

[Sandra Price]

Thank you GenSeneca for my welcome. I love the term CaLiCo and would love to use it in my Commentaries, if you would allow it…..

I am a Secular Capitalist to declare my stand in favor of Free Enterprise Capitalism and a Separation of Church and State. I do not resent or fear anyone believing in God as long as they can keep it out of our Federal Legislation. I truly believe that this is the key problem with the Republican National Committee. The RNC had been focused on a Christian Nation for America. I believe Gov. George Bush of Texas was chosen to promote this movement.

It might be my being 3rd generation Californian where diversity had been the make up of the pioneers who made California a socially liberal state from the beginning. I use the term “Liberal” in the true meaning of equality for everyone. The state has a history of importing Chinese workers who were not treated as equals and like the eastern states with their slavery soon realized the errors of their ways. Many of the cities I have lived in within California have centers of Chinatown that are famous for that culture and I applaud them. Of course, Mexicans have been a vital element in all areas of California and are responsible for the great agricultural areas of our inner valleys.

I remember during WW2 when many of our Japanese neighbors and friends were carted off to camps and we all suffered with this kind of treatment of Californians. After the war, my grandparents did much to welcome them home. This entire division of diverse people helped develop my sense of right from wrong. My family was anti-Semitic and I knew this was wrong! When I started my own family, I did not allow this to continue. It was a good thing I did as both my beautiful daughters are married to wonderful Jewish men. My son is married to an Irish Catholic girl that would have been questioned in my generation.

Capitalism was the focus of my grandparents, neither having graduated from high school. They both worked selling furniture for a living and in their endeavors ended up owning stores up and down the west coast. Eventually they turned the stores over to their 4 sons who continued to make profits. It was the work ethics that drove them; down to my generation. We were also in awe of the government (state and federal) and respected the fact that it was designed to be guided by the American people.

We saw a gradual change during and after WW2. Government handouts made many Americans use the safety net offered by the governments and soon learned how to use the system. This has continued for generations and did little for development of individual freedoms. This has troubled me for years as I never wanted to see any American go hungry or without shelter.

I went on line in 1993 and could not understand why so few could define Capitalism. I cut my teeth on this form of economics and worked very hard for Goldwater. I studied the philosophy of Ayn Rand and read much of Kelso, Buckley and Taft. I had worked diligently for Reagan and was shocked at the change in him after his being shot. I knew his daughter Maureen very well and was with her when she was told her Dad had been shot. She took off immediately (with her secret servicemen) and we all felt relieved that he was not killed. It changed him. I have been a supporter of Dr. Ron Paul since those days as he was the only light I could see in D.C. I met him in Atlanta in 1999 and was captured by his politics. I also met Lew Rockwell at that time and have maintained contact with the LP.

It is so encouraging to find a like-minded politico on this forum (or any forum) and I thank you for your words. I no longer live in California and needed the heat of the desert for my old tired bones. My heart is still there after living 50 years in the Santa Monica Mountains and then 20 years in the mountains south of Big Sur. I settled in Arizona…not bad, but not as free as it should be.

Sandy

 

[Mr. Shaman]

My statement to these terrified Social Conservatives was that the Constitution had no place for social issues and the 10th Amendment sent them to the individual states.

You can't very-well make the statement "....that the Constitution had no place for social issues...", and, then, reference The 10th Amendment.

The Bill Of Rights are ALL-about social-issues.​

Is it so necessary for people involved in politics to be loved rather than respected?

Either would suit me....as, both need to be earned....a significant-change over the last-eight-years.​

"The United States has interests in every corner of the globe. Managing these varied interests is not simple, straightforward or easy. How George Bush Jr. would have managed American diplomacy had there not been an al-Qaida terrorist attack on Sept. 11, 2001 is, of course, one of the great unknowns.

How he handled things after the attack is an ongoing tragedy. Instead of a rational, reasoned approach, Mr. Bush chose the simplistic stance of the schoolyard bully: you were either with him or you were against him. There was no subtlety, no nuance. It was America's way, or the highway.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Capitalism was destroyed in those early 80s. The GOP that guided me was very much in the first Reagan term. I had worked with the Reagans in 1964 in the Goldwater campaign. Social issues were never considered a federal authority. Reagan wanted no part of the One World Order and followed Ike in his warnings about an industrial military complex.

There's (only) one-small-problem.....​

"Like most people in Washington, Clinton understood that Ronald Reagan was a figurehead and that it was really the Bush Cabal, which was running things for all of those 12 years. He also understood that the Bush Cabal had perpetrated the greatest fraud ever committed against the American people and that the Bush Cabal had essentially destroyed the economy of the United States - which in fact they had."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Here's a perfect example of the type of Republican, Christian, Anti-Amerian you are talking about. I hate this guy!

http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4468

No DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!​

"Four years and $40 million poured into investigating President Clinton. And all that independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr has to show for it, according to press reports, is a lurid tale about the president and his intern. There will reportedly be nothing in Starr's upcoming report to Congress about Whitewater, the 1980s Arkansas scandal that gave rise to Starr's gargantuan probe in the first place."

......For good reason.....

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