The US Government is behind 9/11

There's a lot of mis-information that leads people to the wrong conclusions. From another post of mine:
Here is a similar diagram to the one provided in the movie (I don't have screen cap, sorry) but this one is from 911review.org:
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Notice there is NO mention of the outer support columns and the center support structure is made to look like the 47 center support columns are tightly grouped, packed in concrete and responsible for supporting the the buildings vertical and horizontal loads.....
This is what the real structural design looked like:
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Notice how the outer columns, responsible for supporting ALL the horizontal loads, appear in this diagram but are absent in the other. The center 47 columns are also not nearly as compact as suggested by the diagram Zeitgeist uses.
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It is scientifically impossible for the fires to reach 800 ºC.
Further, the 9/11 report also contradicts itself by citing evidence it didn't get very hot.
Also, the superstructure was designed that all supports were redundant. Each section was a pre-fabricated steel mesh. If any specific section was removed, they all interlaced so that the grid itself retained support.

Further, it is also scientifically impossible that the thin light weight aluminum skin of an aircraft could sever much more than a very small handful of reinforced steel supports.

Even the 9/11 report indicates only 3-5 supports were severed. Also there is no secondary evidence that heat... from the fire caused by planes... was affecting other parts of the building. Witnesses from both, above and below impacts, did not indicate high levels of heat.
 
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But if they did reach 800 deg would that be hot enough to burn a passport?

And why didn't they burn that hot and evaporate the pentagon?

I know, it was a miracle.

The planes gained mass at the twin towers but lost mass at the pentagon and one of the terrorists had a passpaort made from asbestos.

Ahhhh that makes sense.

To a retard.
 
You are addressing the wrong issue. The question isn't did it take 9, 10, 13, or 15 seconds to fall. We are not trying to determine if it fell at EXACTLY free fall speed.

That's exactly what I'm addressing Andy, and it did not.

This was a 90 story building. On the 78th floor, a plane hit. Below the 78th floor was 77 floors, undamaged, unheated, no fires, no broken supports or anything. Assuming the collapse started on the 78th floor, every lower floor... should scientifically speaking, put up some resistance... yes?

The WTC towers were 110 stories, not 90, with the roof level at 1,368 ft. above ground level, (have you done ANY research into this subject, or are you just regurgitating the CT garbage????).

The aircraft hit WTC 1 between the 93rd and 99th floors, damaging all 6 floors, and WTC 2 between the 77th and 85th floors damaging all 9 floors, so you're already operating under a severe misconception that the damage was limited to only 1 floor. The fuselage of a 767 is almost as high as 2 stories by itself, so even if it hit the buildings in "straight and level" flight, it would have still heavily damaged at least 2 floors, and that's not counting the tail, puts it's total height at about 54 ft., which means that when the tail hit, it would be striking a minimum of 6 floors (as it did when it hit WTC 1).

Further, we know from construction information, that lower floors were made from stronger, thicker, and more reinforced steel frames, than those above.

Obviously.

Nevertheless, let's assume not, and pretend the construction was horrible. Let us say that each floor required 0.5 seconds to collapse. 77 floors, times 0.5 seconds is... 38.5 seconds. Can you find any video footage anywhere, from any credible source, that shows the towers falling in over 30 seconds? No, not even close.

Go back and review your Newton, because your assumptions are faulty on their face. Using the basic rate of fall ("free fall speed"), IN A VACUUM, of 32ft. per second, SQUARED, if one were to drop something from the roof height if one of the WTC towers, again, in a vacuum, it would take 9.1 seconds to reach the ground, which it obviously did not.

Let's even say 15 seconds fall time. A 90 story building going from full height to flat in 15 seconds, is 0.16 seconds a floor. In a 6th of a second, is not even enough time for a floor above to land on the floor below.

Again, you fail to comprehend "free fall" velocity. It isn't a simple linear calculation, since the acceleration factor is SQUARED over time. For instance, if you went to the top of the Empire State building and dropped a brick, in the first second, it would cover a distance of 16 ft., but by 2 seconds it would have covered 64 ft., at 3 seconds it would have covered 144 ft., at 4 seconds it would have fallen 256 ft., and so on and so forth, and that's ONLY if it were falling in a vacuum, which obviously wasn't the case.

What this means is... either the towers were made out of metal the equivalent of pop cans, or the super structure was made from bambo shoots and mud thatch... or this is scientifically impossible.

No, what it means is that your assumptions are based on totally faulty logic, and an utter lack of understanding of basic physics. The assumption is based on "free fall velocity" which is a totally fictitious assumption because it was never in "free fall". It was impacting on all of the structures below it (pancaking) which momentarily retarded it's fall before being accelerated downward by the mass above it. If you really want to start having fun, then you have to start calculating for the mass, as well as the air resistance factors into the equation. Each of these calculations has to be done, floor by floor, calculating the velocity of the mass above as it strikes the floor below, the cumulative mass of all of the floors above (minus the mass that is still in free fall, minus the mass that is falling outside the footprint of the building itself, etc., etc.), the resistive force of the floor that is being struck, the air resistance, and so on, and so on, and so on.

I know that this is probably a waste of my time, but I'm going to post this LINK of a structural analysis of the failure of the WTC towers. Perhaps if you'll take the time to study it, you'll see that all of this CT non-sense is just that, non-sense.
 
But if they did reach 800 deg would that be hot enough to burn a passport?

And why didn't they burn that hot and evaporate the pentagon?

I know, it was a miracle.

The planes gained mass at the twin towers but lost mass at the pentagon and one of the terrorists had a passpaort made from asbestos.

Ahhhh that makes sense.

To a retard.

Shock me and post a link to where you get your information.

1. Pristine condition made plausible:
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Look very closely, there is debris out in front of the fireball in each one of these segments. With the objects in motion wishing to stay in motion, much of it blew threw the other side. Heres a shot of the tower from the side so you can see exactly what it looked like:
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Notice how see through the buildings are.... very little to stop debris from the plane and its impact from punching through one side and out the other... well in front of the fireball.

All of your questions and commentary are based on strawmen arguments - You say X is the official story but you don't actually know what the official story is - so you just make some crap up or repeat what you're told to believe.

Whats in this for you anyway?
 
Oh genital warts, are you really this stupid??

The point is verrrrrrryyyyyyyyy simply this..

Logic does not figure in the Government account of events.

That is why there should be a thorough inquiry.

The Government does not want that and it is impossible to view that in a positive way.

What are you so against this?

Don't you want the lack of logic explained?

Or did you put the passport on top of the rubble to make it look like Muslim terrorists?

Cue the banjo
 
Logic does not figure in the Government account of events.

The problem is this... YOU HAVE YET TO ACCURATELY PORTRAY THE ACCOUNTS OR EVENTS FOR THAT DAY.

IDK where you get your BS info, since you aren't smart enough to figure out how to use links, and you FAIL to substantiate any of your claims.

Why do you even care?
 
The problem is this... YOU HAVE YET TO ACCURATELY PORTRAY THE ACCOUNTS OR EVENTS FOR THAT DAY.

IDK where you get your BS info, since you aren't smart enough to figure out how to use links, and you FAIL to substantiate any of your claims.

Why do you even care?

I'm done with this fool. I've come to the conclusion that it's nothing but a TROLL who runs around to boards, throwing up this blatant non-sense, trying to get a rise out of people. Just put it on ignore, and maybe it'll go away.
 
He is a troll. Spam, Spam, Spam - Hey look, dawkins posted again - More spam...

I bet his country is wonderful, no crime, no polution, no corruption, no inequality - Just a bunch of happy people burning American flags.

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You forgot to mention the GOP PSYOPS controlled media... Thats a critical part of the Conspiracy!

There's no conspiracy theory with PSYOPS being at CNN; it's conspiracy fact. And when questioned about their role in BigMedia, essentially telling people to piss off. It's fact. You can google any number of reports on it as fact.

Here's an interesting part of those facts to remember about military PSYOPS and the media:

The story is disturbing. In the 1980s, officers from the 4th Army PSYOPS group staffed the National Security Council's Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), a shadowy government propaganda agency that planted stories in the U.S. media supporting the Reagan Administration's Central America policies.

A senior US official described OPD as a "vast psychological warfare operation of the kind the military conducts to influence a population in enemy territory." (Miami Herald, 7/19/87) An investigation by the congressional General Accounting Office found that OPD had engaged in "prohibited, covert propaganda activities," and the office was soon shut down as a result of the Iran-Contra investigations. But the 4th PSYOPS group still operates...

..For instance, one PSYOPS officer worked in CNN's satellite division. According to Intelligence Newsletter, rear admiral Thomas Steffens, a psychological warfare expert in the Special Operations Command, recently told a PSYOPS conference that the military needed to find ways to "gain control" over commercial news satellites to help bring down an "informational cone of silence" over regions where special operations were taking place.

An unofficial strategy paper published by the U.S. Naval War College in 1996 and written by an Army officer ("Military Operations in the CNN World: Using the Media as a Force Multiplier") urged military commanders to find ways to "leverage the vast resources of the fourth estate" for the purposes of "communicating the [mission's] objective and endstate, boosting friendly morale, executing more effective psychological operations, playing a major role in deception of the enemy, and enhancing intelligence collection." Source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748

Jordan was full of indignation that I had somehow compromised the reputation of CNN. But in the course of our conversation, it turned out that, yes, CNN had hosted a total of five interns from U.S. Army PSYOPs, two in television, two in radio, and one in satellite operations Source: http://www.commondreams.org/views/032300-107.htm

Colonel Christopher St. John is Commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group. In a military symposium on Special Operations on that was held behind closed doors in Arlington Virginia in early February, Col. St. John said the cooperation with CNN was a textbook example of the kind of ties the American army wants to have with the media...

...The U.S. Army leadership seems to have concluded that new and more aggressive measures in Psychological warfare are needed. Not only do the PsyOps people want to spread handpicked 'information' and keep other news quiet, the army also wants to control the Internet, to wage electronic warfare against disobedient media, and to control commercial satellites. Source: http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/devries/love.htm

Military psyops has always been as much art as science. American armies have used psychological operations since the Revolutionary War. Psyops leaflets were passed out to British soldiers at the battle of Bunker Hill promising free land if they defected. Over the years, it gained a reputation as a black art, the stuff of Tokyo Rose and Nazi propaganda. But today's psywarriors are like Madison Avenue advertising executives.. Source: http://www.time.com/time/columnist/waller/article/0,9565,179827,00.html

Yeah, silly me, making all this stuff up! :rolleyes:
 
Just out of curiosity... Is every single member of our military a "Goon"?
(Any Military vets curious about this?)

If only PSYOPS members are goons... Is every single one of them a Right Winger?
 
It is scientifically impossible for the fires to reach 800 ºC.
Further, the 9/11 report also contradicts itself by citing evidence it didn't get very hot.
Also, the superstructure was designed that all supports were redundant. Each section was a pre-fabricated steel mesh. If any specific section was removed, they all interlaced so that the grid itself retained support.

Further, it is also scientifically impossible that the thin light weight aluminum skin of an aircraft could sever much more than a very small handful of reinforced steel supports.

Even the 9/11 report indicates only 3-5 supports were severed. Also there is no secondary evidence that heat... from the fire caused by planes... was affecting other parts of the building. Witnesses from both, above and below impacts, did not indicate high levels of heat.

First and foremost... You say that some unidentified 9/11 report contradicts itself by saying the fires were not all that hot and that 800 degree fires are scientifically impossible... Where do you get this nonsense?

From NIST:
(2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns.

BTW, the 9/11 commission report was not meant to determine why the WTC buildings fell, their only job was to:
prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

It wasn't their job to determine why the buildings fell, only why the attacks were successful and what we could do to prevent future attacks.

NIST, the National Institute for Standards and Technologies, was the primary agency responsible for determining why the WTC buildings fell - as engineers, as opposed to politically appointed 9/11 commission members, they looked into the circumstances that led to the failures which brought down the Towers.

Here's the NIST FAQ and you might get a great deal of your questions answered by looking through it.

Please watch this video:


You mentioned about the redundant steel supports etc. that should have prevented the complete failure of the structures. As you can see in the video and in actual photos of the impact zone:

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As you can see, there is a gaping hole in the side of the building - as in - there are no remaining, redundant supports to carry that load. The Steel skeleton of the WTC's were responsible for supporting the majority of the structural load. The massive impact severed 3/4 of the supports on one side of the building and a good number of the core columns as well.

Please take the time to review this information and weigh the sources against wherever you're getting your information.
 
IN no way was the US behind 9/11. But it is interesting to try to analyze some of the reasons for suspecting it was. Are there any Americans who just can't accept that their country would be vulnerable to attack by a few Saudis with box cutters? I think that is at least partially to blame for the silly meanderings of some people who think the US attacked itself!

Although there is little doubt that the Bush admin used 9/11 for an excuse to attack Iraq with the aim of establishing control over Iraq's oil resources. In fact everyone who is politically in tune with current events should well know that the neocons had to be talked out of going to war with Iraq even before Afghanistan.
 
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I do see your point but the problem is, there are just too many factors that do not make sense on the day to be overlooked.

The planes could not have done the damge that was done to the towers.

If they could how come one only scratched the Pentagona and then disppeared?

How come Bush wasn't whisked to safety?

How come the airliners weren't intercepted as hundreds of airliners are routinely around the world every year?

How come a passport of one of the 'terrorists' landed safely on top of the rubble?

How come the Government fought hard against having an inquiry and then held a fixed one and then were unco-operative?

How come the last of the steel of the towers was hastily shipped off to China as scrapbefore it could be analysed?

How come firmenen and other workers reported hearing exploaisons on various floors?

How come the towers fell at free fall speed?

How come there was not 30 metres of jagged concrete left standing?

How did the towers turn to powder?

How did airline fuel get to a temperature that could melt steel?

How come it was the same air traffic control guy on 3 lost planes and how come he broke protocol every time and did not immediatley implement CAA policy?

How come nobody was disciplined over such a lousy performance?

How come one of the alleged pilots cannot be shown to have even had a ticket to get on the plane?

And hundreds of other questions.

The best interpretation for the US is that it knew it was going to happen and they did nothing.

The worst case is that they orchestrated it.

But with a smoking gun in their hands and a refusal to explain why it is very difficult to think that there is anything other than a very suspicious explanation.
 
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