Trumps first budget

[PLC1]

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's....

He recognized that government existed but had no interest in it. He was solely interested in his flock and what it needed to be to please God.

All you seem to be interested in is to have the government do what you don't want to do. Then try to ridicule those who disagree with you for what you assume them to do or not do.

Separation of church and state was important way back then.

The government doesn't fund a safety net to promote Christianity. It does so because the country needs safety nets in order to continue to be a first world nation. Look back at the 1930's, read Grapes of Wrath, and ask yourself if it would be a good thing to go back to such a society.

 

[grumpy]

LOL, Trumps family? Name one that would have been anything if not for daddies money. Name one that has the integrity to call their father a liar. Name one that served their country. Then too, wasn't Ivanka into porn at one time? Haven't heard much about the boys. Then there is Melania.

As to Sheens family, guess you will have to show me since I am not into Hollywood gossip.

There you go again, you have no idea what any of them might have been.. You have no idea how many conservative care more about family then finances, AND you know who Martin Sheen is.. Charlie also was raised with money..

 

[PLC1]

I think it's more a case of allowing public schools that cannot compete to die on their own. There are schools in Richmond and nearby Petersburg that lost accreditation and can't seem to regain it. Perhaps if parent (s) didn't treat school as free mandatory daycare they might think about having their kids actually treat school as their job.
Lord knows no amount of money will overcome parental failings.
As I recall, religious schools were the only ones there were since not far into AD.

If parents really had the choice of which school to patronize, then the poor schools would go out of business just like a grocery store that lacks customers goes out of business. It would then be able to re open under new management, and make another go at it.

If schools were able to set standards of attendance, behavior, and achievement, then there would be an incentive for parents to see to it that their kids qualified for the best schools.

and it shouldn't be necessary to buy a million dollar house in a good neighborhood in order for your kids to have a quality education.

But religious schools need to be monitored. We don't need publicly funded madrassas.

 

[grumpy]

If parents really had the choice of which school to patronize, then the poor schools would go out of business just like a grocery store that lacks customers goes out of business. It would then be able to re open under new management, and make another go at it.

If schools were able to set standards of attendance, behavior, and achievement, then there would be an incentive for parents to see to it that their kids qualified for the best schools.

and it shouldn't be necessary to buy a million dollar house in a good neighborhood in order for your kids to have a quality education.

But religious schools need to be monitored. We don't need publicly funded madrassas.

Love your post until the end..Why do religous schools need to be monitored? If people have a true choice then why..

 

[PLC1]

Love your post until the end..Why do religous schools need to be monitored? If people have a true choice then why..

Because of separation of church and state. The government can't be funding religious schools.

Would you want our tax money funding a madrassa?

 

[grumpy]

Separation of church and state was important way back then.

This may surprise you, But I believe Churches should pay tax, and in doing so get out from under the government control that does exist. And when the help they the poor it should be deductible...Maybe then most of the money would go where it should have been going all along..

 

[grumpy]

Because of separation of church and state. The government can't be funding religious schools.

Would you want our tax money funding a madrassa?

I think we were both responding at the same time.. I think my last post shows where I stand.. If churches paid taxes, then the problem you speak of wouldn't exist.. I don't want my tax dollars going to fund Abortion but they are..

 

[PLC1]

I think we were both responding at the same time.. I think my last post shows where I stand.. If churches paid taxes, then the problem you speak of wouldn't exist.. I don't want my tax dollars going to fund Abortion but they are..

Actually, it's not legal to use tax money to fund abortions.

Yes, I understand money if fungible and therefore federal money can indirectly pay for abortions, but nonetheless....

If churches paid taxes, they could still establish schools to teach young Earth creationism as science, or that Allah wants them to go fight infidels instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

There you go again, you have no idea what any of them might have been.. You have no idea how many conservative care more about family then finances, AND you know who Martin Sheen is.. Charlie also was raised with money..

No Grumpy, there you go again backpedaling from your own *********. We know that big daddy Trump made the money that little daddy Trump, the lying, adulterous, thieving, coward you support, used to make whatever money he may have, or is lying about, and that American banks will not lend him money so he borrows from Russia, and China, and the Saudi's bailed him out twice. We know Ivanka was into porn before daddy set her up in clothing. We know the sons were too cowardly to serve in the military just like their daddy. We also know that the only jobs they have had have been with daddy's businesses. We also know that Melania was into porn before dating daddy while he was still married to his second wife, and we know she violated her work permit, and should have been deported, while marrying Trump.

Now, your ********* question, being the lying hypocrite you are, was "Heres a comparison for ya.. Trumps Family, Martin Sheen's Family." I don't know a damn thing about the Sheen family, and obviously you watch a lot of Hollywood gossip programs, so I have no way to compare the two. If you have something then at least have the integrity you demand from others, yet not from your god Trump, and post it. Quit trying to ********* your way out of it. I know of numerous right wing families that have money, and the kids turned to shit. One was my uncle who used to own Starkist Tuna. Another was a good friend of mine who got into real estate back in the 70's. Another owned LASME Freight.

Quit trying to ********* me Grumpy. Your only showing yourself to be the pathetic ass you truly are in doing so.

BTW, who do you think cut the funding for these after school programs? Certainly was not a liberal, or a "socialist".

http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/tips/new-latchkey-kids/

Republicans have been cutting funding for after school programs for the past 5 years, and now Trump wants to cut it even more to pay for his defense plans:

http://www.businessinsider.com/budg...-wheels-omb-white-house-press-briefing-2017-3

 

[grumpy]

Actually, it's not legal to use tax money to fund abortions.

Yes, I understand money if fungible and therefore federal money can indirectly pay for abortions, but nonetheless....

If churches paid taxes, they could still establish schools to teach young Earth creationism as science, or that Allah wants them to go fight infidels instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic.

.federal money does pay for abortion..And Yes Parents could send their kids to that type of school.. if that's the type of school parents wanted..I think most would not, and they wouldn't survive..

 

[dogtowner]

Separation of church and state was important way back then.

The government doesn't fund a safety net to promote Christianity. It does so because the country needs safety nets in order to continue to be a first world nation. Look back at the 1930's, read Grapes of Wrath, and ask yourself if it would be a good thing to go back to such a society.

Some here believe safety nets to be faith based, as you point out, they're not.
As to your question, those days were the crucible from which came the greatest generation so it wasn't all bad. People had to rely on their neighbors and that worked. Today they don't and you can make a case that this isn't working. When you don't know your neighbirthday he's probably not going to seem like a brother.

 

[The Scotsman]

Separation of church and state was important way back then.

point of order Mr. Chairman church and state were the same thing back then one of the Emperors many titles was Pontifex Maximus

 

[The Scotsman]

Why do religous schools need to be monitored? If people have a true choice then why..

Creationists... they're just insane
Madrasas... they create the insane

 

[dogtowner]

If parents really had the choice of which school to patronize, then the poor schools would go out of business just like a grocery store that lacks customers goes out of business. It would then be able to re open under new management, and make another go at it.

If schools were able to set standards of attendance, behavior, and achievement, then there would be an incentive for parents to see to it that their kids qualified for the best schools.

and it shouldn't be necessary to buy a million dollar house in a good neighborhood in order for your kids to have a quality education.

But religious schools need to be monitored. We don't need publicly funded madrassas.

That's what accreditation is for. As long as the education is being provided, whatever else is going on doesn't much matter. Barring legally unacceptable things, bomb making, slave labor etc.

 

[grumpy]

There you go again, you have no idea what any of them might have been.. You have no idea how many conservative care more about family then finances, AND you know who Martin Sheen is.. Charlie also was raised with money..

Read my post, I stand by it..You still have no idea! In the original post we weren't talking about Trump, but some how it always comes back to him.. We were talking about conservatives caring more about money then family.. You were wrong.. and you have no way of knowing that..you have an opinion.. so do I..

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