I like how you avoided my entire post, in essence, confirming what I already know: that I'm right.
No, we shouldn't use the PATRIOT Act to put every American in jail? What the hell are you trying to get at with this?
We do not need profiling. The technology is there to know the identity of every person that gets on a plane; or get it if someone is about to get on a plane that is unidentified. We have the capability to do it. I pity those Americans that claim that this is an invasion of privacy. Privacy has slowly been eroding away with the Technological Revolution of the 20th/21st Centuries. I do not believe the government has a right to legislate morality/religion; but in the case of national security, they should have a right to know who you are.
There was a special secret court created for this purpose. Our government had NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to bypass it, period.
We are not fighting al-Qaeda cells in Iraq. We are fighting Iraqi cells in Iraq, that are also fighting each other over different interpretations of Islam. Besides that, the al-Qaeda factions in Afghanistan are rebuilding because we are not fighting the bulk of them anymore.
(5) don't like us detaining al Qaeda fighters in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
I do not have a problem with us DETAINING them. I have a problem with us TORTURING them. If someone were to torture me, I would tell them what they wanted so as to get out of the torture, even if I did not have a clue what they were talking about. These terrorists are not stupid (reference coordination of 9/11).
Use the PATRIOT Act to put every American behind bars where the terrorists cannot get to them?
Hobbes maintained that men readily trade their liberty, the right to do as they wish, for security. See Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan (1660). And, one need only look to the Patriot Act of 2001 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to see that this is true.
Pretty much everything that you liberals oppose.
Again, most of you:]
USMC the Almighty said:(1) don't want to use terrorist profiling as a last resort to keep terrorists off our planes and from sneaking into this country
USMC the Almighty said:(2) don't want the National Security Agency to wiretap efficiently and with out all the beauracratic nonsense that caused 9/11 in the first place
USMC the Almighty said:(3) don't like the PATRIOT Act
USMC the Almighty said:(4) don't like us fighting al Qaeda cells in Iraq
USMC the Almighty said:(5) don't like us detaining al Qaeda fighters in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
USMC the Almighty said:Instead of just bashing every policy and piece of legislation the Republicans and President Bush pass to keep this country safe, why don't you propose some plans of your own?
USMC the Almighty said:I have outlined what the Republicans and other patriotic, visionary Americans want to do to combat terrorism and you don't seem to like it. So I'll throw the question back at you -- what should we do to confront terrorism?
Bureaucratic nonsense caused 9/11? I thought it was some pissed off Muslims...
Wow, you're influenced by the name? I have to admit that's pretty stupid. (If that's not the reason you capitalized 'Patriot' I apologize and admit I am pretty stupid).
The reason I don't like the Patriot Act is because it doesn't do anything. If someone is really that dumb that they actually use the words "bomb" and "plane" and "white devil" in a phone call while planning a terrorist attack I don't think they have the brains to hijack a plane. I don't want the government invading my privacy, and I don't need to justify that because it's part of the Constitution. If you can show me a time when this wiretapping has worked please do, and I probably will change my mind.
I don't mind detaining, but I don't like to see anyone tortured, no matter how bad a person they are, because it's stooping to their level, and possible below.
OK. We need to stop fighting the Shiite and Sunni insurgents in Iraq and focus on terrorist groups like al-Qaeda. I've said this before as I'm sure you remember.
You really didn't outline anything. You just attacked liberals again.
You're right, it wasn't the bureaucratic nonsense that caused 9/11, but allowed the Muslims to carry out the attacks.
USMC the Almighty said:I didn't just capitalize because it looked good. "Patriot" stands for "Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism" hence the capitlization.
USMC the Almighty said:You're seriously underestimating the capability of our intelligence agencies if you think all they do is look for people talking about "bomb" and "plane". Believe me, I went to school with a few guys who work in the Pentagon right now in the counterterrorism department -- these guys are legit.
An example of when wiretapping has worked would be this summer, when Britain's MI5 used wiretapping (among other devices that the liberal judges are prohibiting America from using) to capture the hijackers planning to blow up numerous planes en route to America.
USMC the Almighty said:First -- even if we did torture, it wouldn't be stooping to their level. "Their" level is slowly decapitating innocent civilians with a dull blade in front of TV cameras for propaganda purposes. Abu Gharib was certainly bad, but underwear on people's heads doesn't compare to this level of butchery.
USMC the Almighty said:
USMC the Almighty said:Thirdly, let me be clear: I do NOT support torture (shooting knees out, cutting off fingers, etc.). I do however, believe the coerced interrogation is a humane and effective tool in interrogation. It doesn't entail any long term pain, instead just temporary discomfort.
Tough questioning, such as waterboarding or simulated drowning, makes terrorists talk. That’s how U.S. interrogators encouraged Khalid Sheik Mohammed to detail how he masterminded al-Qaeda’s September 11 attacks. He then ratted out Hambali, the man behind the October 2002 Bali bombing that killed 202, and “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla.
Al-Qaeda honcho Abu Zubaida stayed quiet until interrogators stuck him in a cold room and blasted Red Hot Chili Peppers. Zubaida cried uncle and began to talk. He helped America find terrorists Ramzi bin-al-Shibh, Amar-al-Faruq, Rahim al-Nashiri, and Muhammad al Darbi.
USMC the Almighty said:I apologize if I come across as condescending, but you've never been to Iraq so you can't possibly understand. (a) It's impossible when people are shooting at you to determine if they're terrorists or Shia insurgents and thus, you can't fight AQI (military acronym for "al Qaeda in Iraq") without also fighting the insurgents and stabilizing Iraq to the point where the Iraqi gov't can help combat terrorism within the Iraqi borders. (b) A large sect of AQI fights alongside the Sunni insurgents.
USMC the Almighty said:What are you talking about? We were asked about the "Republican plan for fighting terrorism" and I outlined my response in 5 parts.
The bureaucratic nonsense definitely helped them attack.
The problem is we never will be able to stabilize Iraq, because more insurgents are being born every day...
and they're just ordinary looking people with guns. Al-Qaeda however has actual structural leadership, and we need to target the leaders rather than individual soldiers.
If we pull most of our troops out of civilian parts of cities we can let the insurgents have their civil war
Which, conversely, is exactly what conservatives want to do.No, you listed what liberals supposedly don't want to do.