you must be a liar unlsss you can prove it.
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i don't have to go back in my time machine. the bible documents the history, no one denies it, the archeological evidence supports it.
the jews stole the land of the canaanites by force, christians don't deny it, they justify it by "god told them to do it", which is pretty pathetic.
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There were no Palestinians in the land when God deeded it to Abraham, but there were peoples of more than a dozen different tribes dwelling there, including Hittites, Jebusites, and Canaanites.
right, it all comes down to you think a book of fairly tales justifies stealing land.
that's pathetic.
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Canaan (/ˈkeɪnən/; Phoenician: 𐤊𐤍𐤏𐤍 – KNʿN;[1] Hebrew: כְּנַעַן – Kənáʿan, in pausa כְּנָעַן – Kənāʿan; Biblical Greek: Χανααν – Khanaan;[2] Arabic: كَنْعَانُ – Kan‘ān) was a Semitic-speaking civilization and region of the Southern Levant in the Ancient Near East during the late 2nd millennium BC. Canaan had significant geopolitical importance in the Late Bronze Age Amarna Period (14th century BC) as the area where the spheres of interest of the Egyptian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Assyrian Empires converged or overlapped. Much of present-day knowledge about Canaan stems from archaeological excavation in this area at sites such as Tel Hazor, Tel Megiddo, En Esur, and Gezer.
The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible as a geography associated with the "Promised Land". The demonym "Canaanites" serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups—throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan.[3] It is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible.[4] Biblical scholar Mark Smith, citing archaeological findings, suggests "that the Israelite culture largely overlapped with and derived from Canaanite culture... In short, Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in nature."[5]: 13–14 [6][7]
So the great lug nut knows more about pre history the biblical scholars and science who show the Jewish DNA and philistine is the same and he said science is right . He claims they stole it but will not answer who originally owned the land he lives on and stole it from them perhaps thousands or hundreds of years ago. .
The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible as a geography associated with the "Promised Land". The demonym "Canaanites" serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups—throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan.[3] It is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible.[4] Biblical scholar Mark Smith, citing archaeological findings, suggests "that the Israelite culture largely overlapped with and derived from Canaanite culture... In short, Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in nature."[5]: 13–14 [6][7]
So the great lug nut knows more about pre history the biblical scholars and science who show the Jewish DNA and philistine is the same and he said science is right . He claims they stole it but will not answer who originally owned the land he lives on and stole it from them perhaps thousands or hundreds of years ago. .
- The Land of the Tribe of Judah: The Tribe of Judah received the land west of the Dead Sea. Their southern boundary was the border of the kingdom of the Edomites, descendants of Esau, at the Wilderness of Zin. The east border was the Dead Sea as far north as where the River Jordan begins. The west border was the coastline of the Mediterranean Sea.
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I wonder of Lug nut goes out with his pro philistine t shirt or is he to big a coward to do so.
i wonder if you EVER stop fantasizing about me lol
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Democrats have been committing voter fraud for more than a hundred years and when some do get caught they claim those were the only ones committing the crime. A person would have to be stupid to believe that ridiculous lie.and i replied to your stupid thread with a case of republican voter fraud in a FEDERAL ELECTION which had to be redone, not some rinky dink local PRIMARY election. lol.
your had was a pair of twos, i had a full house. you lose
Fraud! Fraud!; Gone are the days (aren't they?) when dead men and dogs could ‘vote’ and The Boss held sway. - The New York Times (nytimes.com) 9-27-64
Ballot boxes in New York were often stuffed with additional ballots. A Boston politician was once asked if any such thing went on in his home town. He answered with an emphatic “No! Ballot boxes are never stuffed unless it's absolutely necessary!”
After examining the DNA of 93 bodies recovered from archaeological sites around the southern Levant, the land of Canaan in the Bible, researchers have concluded that modern populations of the region are descendants of the ancient Canaanites. Most modern Jewish groups and the Arabic-speaking groups from the region show at least half of their ancestry as Canaanite.
right, the jews stole the land from the canaanites, interbred with the survivors (and/or raped them as armies did back then to the losers), and their descendents live on.
this is exactly what i've been saying. You keep agreeing with me and something think you are making a point? well you are, you are making the point that i'm right. lol
sure random voter fraud has been going on since forever, by both parties.
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Let's go wild and refer to references by historians. (Edited).
Who was Living in the Land When Abraham Arrived? - TheTorah.com
Who Was Living in the Land When Abraham Arrived?
Description of Asiatics (Canaanites) as they were portrayed in the Ancient Egyptian
“Book of Gates,” dated to the 13th c. B.C.E.
Canaan in the Bible
“Book of Gates,” dated to the 13th c. B.C.E.
Canaan in the Bible
At the very beginning of Genesis 12, we are told that God commanded Abram, the future Abraham:
בראשית יב:א ...לֶךְ לְךָ מֵאַרְצְךָ וּמִמּוֹלַדְתְּךָ וּמִבֵּית אָבִיךָ אֶלהָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר אַרְאֶךָּ.
Gen 12:1 ...Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
While this passage does not tell us to which country God intends Abram to go, we are soon told that:
יב:ה וַיִּקַּח אַבְרָם אֶת שָׂרַי אִשְׁתּוֹ וְאֶת לוֹט בֶּן אָחִיו וְאֶת כׇּל רְכוּשָׁם אֲשֶׁר רָכָשׁוּ וְאֶת הַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר עָשׂוּ בְחָרָן וַיֵּצְאוּ לָלֶכֶת אַרְצָה כְּנַעַן וַיָּבֹאוּ אַרְצָה כְּנָעַן.
12:5 Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother’s son Lot, and all the possessions that they had gathered, and the persons whom they had acquired in Haran; and they set forth to go to the land of Canaan; and they came to the land of Canaan.[1]
And so begins the long interaction of Abram and his descendants, the future People of Israel, with the Land of Canaan – the future Land of Israel.
Canaan in the Noah Account
Referring to the land as Canaan sounds straightforward enough; however, it turns out that the details of who lived in and owned the land before the Israelites are far more complicated. Let us track what we know about the Canaanites and the land of Israel by looking at the two earliest references to Canaan, both of which occur as part of the Noah account.
10:15 Canaan became the father of Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 10:16 and the Jebusites, the Amorites, the Girgashites, 10:17 the Hivites, the Arkites, the Sinites, 10:18 the Arvadites, the Zemarites, and the Hamathites. Afterward the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 10:19 And the territory of the Canaanites extended from Sidon, in the direction of Gerar, as far as Gaza, and in the direction of Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
However, despite all of this demographic and geographic detail, there is no indication in the text of the special role that the Canaanites and their land are destined to play in the continuation of the narrative. That role only becomes clear in Genesis 12.
Abraham Arrives in Canaan
Abram enters Canaan and encamps by “the Oak of Moreh” near Shechem (at this point we are reminded: “And the Canaanite was then in the land”), where God appears to him and pronounces, “To your offspring I will give this land.” However, neither Abram nor the reader is told to what “this land” refers exactly.
God articulates the promise to Abram once more in chapter 15, the strange story of “the covenant between the cuts” (ברית בין הבתרים). After setting up an array of cut-up animals, Abram falls asleep. In his sleep he has a vision of God, telling him of his (Abram’s) descendants’ slavery and release, and ending with:
בראשית טו:יח בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא כָּרַת יְ־הוָה אֶת אַבְרָם בְּרִית לֵאמֹר לְזַרְעֲךָ נָתַתִּי אֶת הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת מִנְּהַר מִצְרַיִם עַד הַנָּהָר הַגָּדֹל נְהַר פְּרָת. טו:יט אֶת הַקֵּינִי וְאֶת הַקְּנִזִּי וְאֵת הַקַּדְמֹנִי. טו:כ וְאֶת הַחִתִּי וְאֶת הַפְּרִזִּי וְאֶת הָרְפָאִים. טו:כא וְאֶת הָאֱמֹרִי וְאֶת הַכְּנַעֲנִי וְאֶת הַגִּרְגָּשִׁי וְאֶת הַיְבוּסִי.
Gen 15:18 On that day YHWH made a covenant with Abram, saying: To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates; 15:19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 15:20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 15:21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
God’s promise of the land has now been defined within specific parameters – both geographic and ethnic. Nevertheless, these parameters are still far from clear. From an ethnic point of view, the land is said to have been inhabited by a group of “nations” that come under the general heading of “Canaanite”. Who are the Canaanites? In fact, these “nations” of Canaan are listed about twenty times in the Bible, with the lists often differing from each other.
For example, in the above-cited “Table of Nations”, which pictures all of humanity as being descended from Noah and his three sons, “Canaan” is the son of Ham, and the rest of the Canaanite “nations”, eleven in number, are descended from him. However, in the list given here, “the Canaanites” are simply one of a list of ten “nations” – and not even in first place! Not only that, but of the twelve there and the ten here, only five appear in both lists. In fact, if we compare all of the lists that are scattered throughout the Bible we find a total of fourteen names, which usually appear in groups of six or seven.[3] So who are these “Canaanites”?
In just a few chapters, we will read how Abraham sent his servant to Haran to find a wife for his son Isaac, so that Isaac will not end up marrying a Canaanite (Gen. 24:3). We will then read about Rebecca, who also insisted that her son Jacob be sent to Haran rather than marry “the daughters of Heth” (Gen. 27:46), which Isaac restates as “you shall not take a wife from the daughters of Canaan” (28:1). Again there seems to be some confusion. What is a “daughter of Heth”? Is this the same as a “daughter of Canaan”? Is a Hethite a kind of Canaanite, as implied in Gen. 10? Are they a separate nation as implied in Gen. 15? Are they synonyms? Why the change in terms?
Descendants of Hittites and Amorites?
During the covenant of the parts referred to above, God tells Abraham that although his descendants will inherit the land, this will have to wait four generations because (Gen. 15:16): “The sin of the Amorite is not yet complete.” This verse uses “Amorite” as a general term for the inhabitants of the land,[4] just as Rebecca used the term “Hethite” as a general term and Isaac used “Canaanite.”
Similarly, in Gen. 23 the inhabitants of Hebron, from whom Abraham buys the Cave of Machpelah, are called “sons of Heth,” (the specific owner of the cave is “Ephron the Hittite,”) whereas in Josh. 10 the kings of Jerusalem, Hebron, and the other cities in southern Canaan that Joshua defeats are collectively called “the kings of the Amorites.” This is also the title used of Sihon and Og, the two Transjordanian kings defeated by Moses. In fact, the most-frequently mentioned name after “Canaanite” is “Amorite”, almost as if this were the “default” identity of any Canaanite who was not known to be something else (such as a “Jebusite” or a “Hittite.”)
As we mentioned above, in Gen. 12:6 we are told that “the Canaanite was then in the land.” However, in 13:7, we are informed that “the Canaanite and the Perizzite were then living in the land”. Ibn-Ezra pointed out that the Perizzites are listed in chapter 15 but not in chapter 10, and surmised that “Perizzite” must be another name for one of the groups that are listed in chapter 10. To this evidence we could add many more references to the peoples of Canaan, each giving us a slightly different picture of who exactly did inhabit the land.[6]
The picture we get, then, is rather confused. The land was inhabited by the “Canaanites,” who were comprised of several different groups, one of which was “the Canaanites.” “Amorites”, “Hittites” and many others are also mentioned, but there does not seem to be much consistency in the use of the various groups. It is precisely at this juncture that we, as scholars who wish to understand the “real-life” context of the Torah, can look to external evidence to fill in the missing pieces.
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The Ancient Near Eastern Perspective
When, in the 19th century, western scholars managed to decipher the ancient languages of the Middle East and began to read the writings of ancient Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria and other nations, a whole new world came to light. Much of what they discovered seemed to remind them of what they had read in the Bible, but a lot was very different.
Canaanites
For example, it turned out that “Canaan” was indeed a name used for what would later become (more or less) the Land of Israel, but only within a rather limited context, during the 16th to 12th centuries BCE, at a time in which the land was part of the Egyptian Empire.
Different scholars have developed different theories about the origin and original meaning of the name “Canaan”. Some claimed that it originally referred to a group, or “class”, of merchants, perhaps specializing in the blue and purple dye that was exported from Canaan.[7] Others think that the name is derived from the root כ-נ-ע, having a basic meaning of “low” or “small”, and referring either to the people (as in “Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers”), or perhaps referring to the land itself, as “the low country” (as in Europe’s “Low Countries” = “Netherland”), or even as “the land of the setting sun”, as seen from Syria or from Mesopotamia.
In any case, as in the Bible, “Canaan” was indeed one of the names used for the land; the inhabitants, perhaps “by default”, were “Canaanites.” It is possible that the reason that this is the name used most commonly in the Bible is because it was the “official” name used by the Egyptians, who ruled the country just prior to the Israelites’ first appearance in the land. This might also be an explanation for the listing of Canaan as Egypt’s “little brother” among the sons of Ham in Gen. 10.
Once we recognize that “Canaan” is a general name for the land and its inhabitants during what archaeologists call “the Middle and Late Bronze Age” (c. 2000-1200 BCE)—the period prior to the appearance of the Israelites [8] and the possible setting for the account of the patriarchs and matriarchs—we can then use the information gathered by archaeologists and textual scholars to broaden our knowledge of these people. We now know quite a lot about the Canaanites’ language, religion, political culture, material culture, economy and additional aspects of their lives, all of which can serve to fill out the sparse information provided by the biblical text.
Amorites
A more common name in ancient documents was “Amurru.” Scholars immediately interpreted this name as the equivalent of the biblical אמורי (“Amorite” in English translations of the Bible) – one of the “nations” of Canaan. “Amurru”, which literally means “west,” was a term commonly used by the peoples of Mesopotamia to define the entire area west of the Euphrates River all the way to the borders of Egypt (cf. Gen. 15:18).[9] This can be somewhat confusing, since in many biblical passages, Gen. 15:21 for example, the Amorites are just one group within the Canaanites, while in the Mesopotamian documents “Amurru” is a large area, of which Canaan was just a small part.
Hethites and Hittites
Another ancient culture that was rediscovered by 19th century scholars was that of Ḫatti, based in what is now central Turkey. This was the name of a kingdom that was founded around the 18th century BCE and eventually grew to become an empire that dominated what is now Turkey, northern Syria and northern Iraq. This empire fell near the end of the 13thcentury, but small successor-kingdoms continued to exist in northern Syria for another few centuries.
We can make some educated guesses. The name “Perizzite” may be related to the Hebrew word for “unwalled town” (ערי פרזות). “Kadmonite” may be the same as בני קדם, “sons of the east.” Nevertheless, in the end all we know about most of the “nations of Canaan” is what the Bible tells us – which is not a lot!
Historical Memory within a Religious Message
The Torah is not a history book. It is not an ethnological guide. It is not a catalogue of ancient tribes. It is a book with a religious message. Its purpose is to instruct us about the nature of the relationship between the people of Israel, Abram’s descendants, and the God that chose them as God’s people. However, the Torah was written using the historical memories and images that were familiar to the people who were its audience.
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Democrats commit voter fraud with experience, and they know only the smallest number of cheaters get caught and even only a very small number of them ever go to prison.
blah blah blah more right wing blather. all blather, no specifics.
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so you agree the bible is not literally true?
