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Illegals getting jobs from stimulus

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by chestnut, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    Did you verify if the first two lines of the blog were in fact correct before posting this politically saavy link?
     
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    You can count on it. The dems are trying to increase their voting base by giving jobs to illegals, and then eventually granting all illegals amnesty.

    The writing is right there on the wall, can't you see it?!?!?
     
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    Yes, this is just another link. I've posted others that say the same thing. I also resached the bill a littler further and as of right now, the e-verify is not included in the final version.

    Why... I think HankHill nailed it right on.
     
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    If this much is correct, as it seems to be:

    and if it is the language in the Senate bill that gets in the final bill,

    Then it is likely that a lot of the new jobs will, indeed, go to illegals.

    So, why don't the Senate Republicans stand up and insist that the language be amended? Republicans are the ones against illegal immigration, aren't they? What's that?


    McCain Kennedy amnesty bill?
    Six years of Republican rule in Congress and the WH, and no crackdown on illegal immigration?

    Oh, no! Does that mean that neither party is willing to stop illegal immigration? :eek:

    confirmed: We're screwed.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    when they build the wall at the border...who got jobs? Illegals.....Stop the wall, its promoting Illegals!
     
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    This is about a stimulus package for American's that have lost their jobs.

    You see, the dems are saying it's one thing and then they are doing another.

    The problem is the dems try to play this deceitful game too often. They won't come out and say what they really intend because the know it would not get passed, so they, slip crap in at the last minute and hopes it goes under the radar.

    Look at the health - care language in the current bill. That has nothing to do with the economy and yet, they slipped it in there. They know damn well that if they told us it was going in there there would have been hell to pay.
     
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    This is precisely why the present efforts in Washington are not going to help and will only make matters worse.

    It's bad enough that many industries are in-sourcing, out-sourcing and off-shoring to the degree that American citizens suffer un- or under- employment.

    That's the neurotically competitive dog-eat-dog corp vs. corp nature of our socioeconomic system, similar to what got us into this recent financial mess in the first place when, as always, it eventually backfires, and mid to lower level worker individual human beings take the sacrificial lamb fall to keep those same corporations alive and CEOs rolling in dough despite the predictable repercussions of their behavior.

    But now we have a "stimulus" plan that will support in-sourcing, not only encouraging corporations to continue to legally import temporary cheap workers from India, The Philippines, Chile, etc., but will apparently encourage "turning a blind eye" to illegal workers.

    And yes, we all know about the liberal Democrats' history of encouraging illegals to make them citizens and loyal Democrats ... but let's not forget that the Republicans are still the party of the corporate board, and "whatever's good for corporations", like cheap illegal labor, "is good for America".

    The rapidly cycling downward spiral will continue unabated if the real consumers in America -- the middle class American citizen born and raised here -- continues to take it on the chin.

    The American consumers are the real masses that can spend to halt the downward spiral and begin an upward recovery trend.

    That will require living-wage jobs for our country's citizens, a transferable concept for and in every country presently suffering from this debacle.

    But if we fail to create living-wage jobs for our citizens, if we can't end the in-sourcing, out-sourcing and off-shoring as fast as possible, the downward spiral will continue ... until America is no more than a glorified colony of Saudi Arabia.
     
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    whats one of the biggest drags one familys income and companties? Health care.
     
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    forgive my curiosity....but......the employment of illegal aliens is ...well.... illegal? Yes? So basically its a criminal justice matter - arrrest those employing illegal aliens?

    If the employment of illegal aliens is already illegal then why bother putting legislation into a bill that makes the employment of illegal aliens illegal when it already is?
     
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    There is no easy way that an employer can check the legality of an applicant. There is no national ID card, no way to be sure the SSN isn't "borrowed". If it can be proven that they knowingly hired illegals, then they're in trouble, but such a thing is hard to prove.
     
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    E-Verify was going to be put in the "stimplan" but it got yanked out. It may not have been perfect, but it would have certainly helped.

    But why was it pulled out. .. That makes you wonder. It couldn't have made things worse... More americans would get jobs and less illegals.

    But if that happened the "amnesty factor" would be diminished for the next round of elections.
     
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    Most likely, it was yanked out because no one in Washington wants to get serious about illegal immigration.

    "amnesty factor"??

    Amnesty was tried once, and it didn't work. What happened was that the problem got a lot worse.
     
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    .....okay....again just a question, but why has this not been addressed before? There has been a mass of immigration into the US (much of it illegal) especially over the last decade so why has the Republican Government not clamed down on this as one would have expected them to do so?

    I'm not a great supporter of these bail-out but that's what the electorate seemed to what as well as all the banks, insurance companies and car makers, however, the matter of illegal immigrants is still an issue of criminal justice.

    Interesting what you said PLC about not being able to differentiate between a fully entitled worker and an illegal worker. Would you thus agree to some form of legislation that compelled ALL workers to have proof of elligability for employment within the USA?
     
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    My theory is that the government doesn't want to end illegal immigration because of campaign contributions from employers who like the cheap labor. Some say that the Democrats think that illegals will vote Democrat, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as there voting illegally would attract attention to their status.

    Either way, our government hasn't addressed this problem since the Eisenhower administration (1952-60)
     
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