Palin said humans and dinosuars walked the earth together

[Mr. Shaman]

If only the "I hate religion worse than a flaming case of the clap" crowd were half as considerate of others beliefs as Palin is, the world would be a MUCH nicer place.

I guess we'll be finding-out how considerate The Believers are.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

I guess we'll be finding-out how considerate The Believers are.

Anybody who has watched Bill Maher more than once already knows how much of a bigoted and intolerent piece of trash he is, and anyone who considers anything he says to be more than mindless prattle for the liberal "useful idiots" isn't to be taken seriously on any issue.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Don't forget about all o' those bones (mixed with the assumptions), in those holes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g&feature=related

Unfortunately, bones aren't evidence either for or against evolution, they're only evidence that something that once lived, has died, and it's remains were quickly covered, and over subsequent time became fossilized. What about all of the species who still exist, and the almost identical fossilized remains of their predecessors are found?

This is one of the many challenges with the theory of evolution. If evolution is an absolute, as it is taught, then how is it possible that species that are known to have existed many hundreds of millions of years ago, and they still exist, unchanged, today? Did they simply not get the memo? Is it because they weren't taught the theory of evolution in a public school, and simply didn't know that they were supposed to "evolve"? Or is it simply that they haven't needed to "evolve" because they are already best suited for their environment, and that environment has remained consistant throughout the past hundreds of millions of years?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

There is a long line of fossils showing gradual change of an evolutionary kind.

It is a fact.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

There is a long line of fossils showing gradual change of an evolutionary kind.

It is a fact.

No, there is a long line of fossils that is perported to show adaptation of a species to it's environment. The problem is that we only have the bones, and not the DNA to prove if the "changes" are evolutionary, or adaptive. How are we to know that the "long line of evolution" isn't in fact merely evidence of many different species of the same genus just as the 50 lb. Bulldog is a different species of the same genus 'Molosser' as the 200 lb. English Mastiff.

Further, let's take Darwins finches for instance. He claimed that they had "evolved" by growing stronger and larger beaks to adapt to the changing food supply, but what isn't addressed is the fact that decades later, the beaks of subsequent generations returned to their ancestors original size once their original food source returned in abundence. The change was no different than someones bones strengthening due to extreme manual labor (beaks are after all bony materiel), and then years later losing that bone mass when one is no longer doing extreme manual labor. The body changes and adapts to meet the challenges of it's environment and needs (within reason), but that is not proof of "evolution".

No, the bones in and of themselves show nothing, and even when taken in the context of where they are in the geologic strata, all we know is that a creature of this type existed in a particular place at a particular time.

If one is going to be intellectually honest, then you have to always remember to ask yourself these questions, "what do you think, what do you know, and what can you prove. Thinking something doesn't mean anything, knowing something is good, but not nearly as good as being able to PROVE it, and evolution has not been proven, or it would be the Law of Evolution.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

You really are desperate aren't you?

The science is overwhelming.

Darwin was right, he is revered as one of, if not the greatest scientist of all time.

And you are the equivalent of the last of the flat-earthers desperately trying to stop yet another piece of nonesense in the bible being exposed by science.

When Darwin arrived at his brilliant discovery he had to be careful how he presented it for fear of upsetting the church.

Now the church is trying to say that god made evolution.

And some of the more ridiculous christians are still trying to deny it.

Sooner or later their offspring will evolve into accepters of the fact of evolution or they will die out.

Either way is fine.

That's evolution for you.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

You really are desperate aren't you?

Not at all, but you obviously are.

The science is overwhelming.

I've heard that before, right before it's been proven WRONG!

Darwin was right, he is revered as one of, if not the greatest scientist of all time.

The word you're looking for is GOD, which is why you pray at your Evangelical Evolutionary Church.

And you are the equivalent of the last of the flat-earthers desperately trying to stop yet another piece of nonesense in the bible being exposed by science.

And exactly where have I invoked religion or the Bible in any of this? Nowhere. The word you're looking for is nowhere, and this is further proof that you 1) don't have the first idea what you're talking about, 2) can't discuss anything rationally or politely, and 3) are incapable of rational thought.

When Darwin arrived at his brilliant discovery he had to be careful how he presented it for fear of upsetting the church.

Now the church is trying to say that god made evolution.

And some of the more ridiculous christians are still trying to deny it.

Sooner or later their offspring will evolve into accepters of the fact of evolution or they will die out.

Either way is fine.

That's evolution for you.

Tripe. Utter nonsensical tripe. You haven't even addressed any of my points, all of which are scientific facts, so you continue to resort to ad homs and attempting to ascribe words to those who have not used them. Hang it up, it's over, you lost.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

If you expect me to believe that the scientific community has got it wrong on evolution and you have got it right you are sadly mistaken.

You may as well deny gravity and explain how Newton et al got it wrong.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Anybody who has watched Bill Maher more than once already knows how much of a bigoted and intolerent piece of trash he is, and anyone who considers anything he says to be more than mindless prattle for the liberal "useful idiots" isn't to be taken seriously on any issue.

Gee.....that almost sounds like an original-opinion.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Unfortunately, bones aren't evidence either for or against evolution, they're only evidence that something that once lived, has died, and it's remains were quickly covered....

....And, where does Adam & Eve fit-into the whole trip?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Well Eve was taken from one of Adam's ribs and then spoke to a talking snake and then did a really bad thing. She ate an apple that the talking snake said tasted good and as result lost of people will burn in hell.

And everyone lived sadly ever after.

Yep, makes perfect sense that does.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

If you expect me to believe that the scientific community has got it wrong on evolution and you have got it right you are sadly mistaken.

You may as well deny gravity and explain how Newton et al got it wrong.

Now what are you talking about? Do you ever watch the Science Channel (I know that actually reading a book, with all of that polysyllabic verbiage is out of the question for you)? Even the best and brightest in the are of anthropology can't agree on a lot of what the geologic record "proves"! They sit around and talk about this, that, and the other thing, argue back and forth, and finally come to a concensus on what they can PROVE, and agreeing that the rest of it (including most of what you're attempting to imply about the bone record) will have to wait for more evidence.

What you've done is take some of what they've said, morped it with other aspects of the discussion, and suddenly come up with your OWN "theories" that bear no resemblence to the reality. I believe the accurate term for your condition is delusional.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Well Eve was taken from one of Adam's ribs and then spoke to a talking snake and then did a really bad thing. She ate an apple that the talking snake said tasted good and as result lost of people will burn in hell.

And everyone lived sadly ever after.

Yep, makes perfect sense that does.

And what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well Eve was taken from one of Adam's ribs and then spoke to a talking snake and then did a really bad thing. She ate an apple that the talking snake said tasted good and as result lost of people will burn in hell.

And everyone lived sadly ever after.

Yep, makes perfect sense that does.

You forgot the incest-part.

How'd one couple manage to populate the entire planet??

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Good point, I kinda thought the talking snake eclipsed most of other plot irregularities.