Since 9/11 Americans have killed around 300,000 Americans

[dogtowner]

Ok so let's return to the fact that many many more Americans are killed in America than are killed by AQ

Your point about jihadists was just ridculous and evidence of how the propaganda has warped your thinking

The facts are inassailable.

Funny how all these alleged jihadists don't seem to have murdered anyone in the US outside of the alleged attack by them on 9/11.

sure they have and other attacks have been thwarted.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh dear, you have swallowed the kool aid haven't you?

 

[dogtowner]

Oh dear, you have swallowed the kool aid haven't you?

you're suggesting none of that ever happened ? is all law enforcement across the country in cahoots with Cheney on this grand illusion ?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Don't know what you mean

The fact is that Americans kill many many more Americans than AQ ever have

If you are in denial about this blatantly obvious fact there is no point discussing this further with you

It really shows how good the US government is at brainwashing.

Or how gullible many people are

 

[dogtowner]

Don't know what you mean

The fact is that Americans kill many many more Americans than AQ ever have

If you are in denial about this blatantly obvious fact there is no point discussing this further with you

It really shows how good the US government is at brainwashing.

Or how gullible many people are

so whats it going to be killing or murder ?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Murder

 

[dogtowner]

Murder

every jihadi is a threat to murder any heathen as sanctioned by scripture, very few other murderers are as random as that.

 

[BigRob]

So, let's assume for the sake of argument that AQ did perpetrate the attack on the twin towers, this means that Americans have killed around a hundred times as many Americans as AQ have done on US soil between September 8th 2001 and today

So which group is worse...Americans or AQ?

Aside from the sheer stupidity of your question - here is the answer:

To get an accurate read, you need to compare the murder rates at a level that is the same with both groups -- since one group is quite a bit larger than the other.

S0:
19 hijackers killed 3000 people over a decade
330,000,000 Americans murdered 200,000 people over a decade.

So:
Each hijacker is responsible for 158 deaths over a decade
Each American citizen is responsible for something like .0005 deaths over the same decade

Yes -- American's are so much more violent.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

No you don't

The group known as AQ has killed 3000 Americans

The group known as Americans has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and does so relentlessly year on year

My question is not stupid. It exposes the huge gap between the rubbish Americans are fed about risk and the facts.

personal attack removed

 

[BigRob]

No you don't

The group known as AQ has killed 3000 Americans

The group known as Americans has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and does so relentlessly year on year

My question is not stupid. It exposes the huge gap between the rubbish Americans are fed about risk and the facts.

Personal attack removed

A 5th grade education tells you that you get nothing from comparing a group of 300,000,000 to a group of 20 -- that is why murder rates are calculated based on a rate of 100 or 1,000 or whatever you are calculating.

So -- calculating the rates over the last decade in that widely accepted manner (which of course flies in the face of your bogus assertions) yields the results posted above.

 

[Gipper]

A 5th grade education tells you that you get nothing from comparing a group of 300,000,000 to a group of 20 -- that is why murder rates are calculated based on a rate of 100 or 1,000 or whatever you are calculating.

So -- calculating the rates over the last decade in that widely accepted manner (which of course flies in the face of your bogus assertions) yields the results posted above.

Apparently he has not attained a 5th grade education. Or maybe he was educated in the Soviet Union, North Korea, or Cuba. Or maybe Marin County.

 

[Openmind]

That is just bizarre

The stats are what matters here, not your prejudices

There clearly aren't jihadists all around you or you'd be dead by your argument

This lack of logic for people who refuse to recognize the impact of OUR policies on the world, and the number of people (mostly innocent people) that have been killed through Bush's unnecessary war should come as no surprise.

It mirrors the selective blindness demonstrated by too many American re: the "poor Israelis being killed by the mean Palestinians), while in fact, the statistics clearly show that at least 10 times more Palestinians (including a huge number of children) have been killed by Israeli attacks then Israelis by Palestinians attacks.

 

[BigRob]

This lack of logic for people who refuse to recognize the impact of OUR policies on the world, and the number of people (mostly innocent people) that have been killed through Bush's unnecessary war should come as no surprise.

It mirrors the selective blindness demonstrated by too many American re: the "poor Israelis being killed by the mean Palestinians), while in fact, the statistics clearly show that at least 10 times more Palestinians (including a huge number of children) have been killed by Israeli attacks then Israelis by Palestinians attacks.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[dogtowner]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

you noticed that as well ?
not in keeping with #3 of the rules.

 

[Openmind]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

I disagree. It is a parallel between our attitude toward those we consider our ennemies, and those we consider our friends. We believe our friends can do no wrong. . .just as we can do no wrong.

We feel free to impose our law and our needs on our "ennemies," and we support (or we turn a blind eye) to our "friends" doing the same with their "ennemies."