Ecofascist Disasters

Andy;37508]No, I have not complained... I have explained. You are living in a fantasy world where cars over seas can just be brought here and everyone will be happy driving in Ringling Brothers clown mobiles.

Let's just get to the reality of the situation. The CAFE Standards are going to go up. There will be plenty of cars on the market many of which are in play right now. Many others that are only 2 or 3 MPG from meeting the new standard will get tweeked. Look for some new import models. New American cars will come on line. Did it before... doing it now... will do it again.

You absolutely must be joking. I'd laugh, but I think you might really mean that. I'll skip the Prius... mercy. As stated, all the 'new technology' isn't. It's been around for years and years, all of it. Tesla Roadster is the modern "great American Car"?

Tell me the what was the mass produced hybrid sold all over the country before Toyota & Honda came out with their's? It isn't just the idea of something. It's producing a dependable enough product to be driven every day.

The Tesla is just an example of a sleek sporty electric car that is a sign of things to come. It has tons of orders already in the bank. Like I said all this technology is in the Model T stage but they are already working on stylish design as in the Tesla. Much is on the way! These alternative cars will continue to improve just like the hybrids are. They will have longer charge lives, quicker charging, and come in a variety of sizes. A retired guy at one of my properties owns one of those small "clown" electric cars and he absolutely LOVES IT! He only travels around town anyway and it costs him virtually nothing in day to day operating costs. So I know first hand that some people have already found a nitch for this type car in it's early stages.

One time I drove to visit a friend who was 360 miles away. The ol crap, old tech Buick held all my luagage in the trunk, and went 360 miles non-stop. Didn't even need to fill up. The Tesla Roadster would neither be able to hold my stuff, nor make it in one day. I would have had to stop for the night after driving about 2 hours.

You're talking about your 82 Buick again... :D

Does this mean the Tesla is crap? Of course not. But it certainly isn't one of "America's Greatest Cars".

And yet again I'm telling you it's a concept of a sleek stylish sporty car that is coming on line. It may not be the "great car" but it's cars like this that lead to the great cars. A Model T wasn't a Corvette either.

Dropped 15¢ today.

You've got me. Oil is cheap... gas is cheap... heck tomorrow they'll be giving it away. They're saying that $126 a barrel will probably get to $200 a barrel but my heads in the sand with yours... not LoL!!! :D
 
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Anyone who thinks the Tesla is anything more than a toy is delusional. It is not practical...and unless and until there is a quantum leap in battery technology (as in, an efficiency jump of several hundred percent), an all-electric car will not be. Too limited, too heavy, too expensive.

What the goal is... is to provide different technology that has easy access to fueling. I only mentioned the Tesla because they are in high demand and they are good looking (i.e. not a Prius).

I know tons of older retired gentlemen that own homes at our 55 and over retirement properties in Texas that have their own personal electric golf carts parked in their carport that they drive all over the community instead of using their cars. Bump that up to being a nice little electric car that now they can go into and all around town and with freeway speed and a couple hundred mile range... they'd be lovin' it.

We're not going to see one technology. We're going to see the load spread out to several different power sources. If in the 50's or 60's you'd have said there'd be hybrids running around all over the place people would have said that would never fly too... but it certainly has hasn't it? So don't let yourself get too hung up on just what's available today and would it fit every circumstance. It will evolve...
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Tell me the what was the mass produced hybrid sold all over the country before Toyota & Honda came out with their's? It isn't just the idea of something. It's producing a dependable enough product to be driven every day.

The first mass produced hybrid was made by the Lohner Coach Factory in 1901 and built by Ferdinand Porsche (whose son created the Porsche auto company). The second mass produced hybrid was made in 1915 by Chicago based Woods Motor Vehicle Company. The car named "Dual Power" had a four-cylinder ICE and an electric motor. Below 15 mph (25 km/h) the electric motor alone drove the vehicle, drawing power from a battery pack, and above this speed the "main" engine cut in to take the car up to its 35 mph (55 km/h) top speed. Sounds strikingly familiar? Like right out of a Toyota hand book eh?

The Tesla is just an example of a sleek sporty electric car that is a sign of things to come. It has tons of orders already in the bank. Like I said all this technology is in the Model T stage but they are already working on stylish design as in the Tesla. Much is on the way! These alternative cars will continue to improve just like the hybrids are. They will have longer charge lives, quicker charging, and come in a variety of sizes. A retired guy at one of my properties owns one of those small "clown" electric cars and he absolutely LOVES IT! He only travels around town anyway and it costs him virtually nothing in day to day operating costs. So I know first hand that some people have already found a nitch for this type car in it's early stages.

I would be interested in talking with said person. I know of another that has the electric clown town car too. There was a dealership near here, but it closed.

After working it out mathematically. 30 Kwh a day is national average power usage of an American household. The car by itself will use about 30 Kwh a day. So one could expect their electric bill to double. Also, in many areas, not all, using less than 50 Kwh a day qualifies one for a discount electrical rate. Getting this car would take you above that rate, so for many the electric bill would more than double.

Despite all this, one of these cars would save at least 1/2 off your gasoline bill easy.

However, that will quickly disappear if electric cars catch on. In case you missed it, the same political morons that have screwed up oil production and refinement in the US, have also screwed up electrical production. Electrical prices across the country are shooting up as well. The ability to make power plants is incredibly hard due to government regulations and controls. Plus, obviously if the power consumption across the entire nation doubles in average households... our power generation, distribution and maintenance would all have to be vastly upgraded. All of which are currently hindered by government regulations restrictions and controls... again, same complete fools, you voted in, who are screwing up oil for us.

But let me say something again for the first time... I am not against electric cars, hybrid cars, midget cars or 2 seater sporty cars that only the rich can afford. I am for choice. If you want a hybrid, cool, get one. If you want a dumb looking electric clown car, cool, go for it. I am for you getting whatever car you so desire to get. My problem is when you force your choice in cars on me, by taking away my right to choose a gas guzzling Ford Excursion if I decide that is what I want. If I want a V12 Lamborghini roadster at 12 MPG, I should have that right. It's called freedom, that thing socialists hate.

You're talking about your 82 Buick again... :D

Because it's a valid point. You claim the greatness of the Tesla. Yet my Buick, old as it is, can do far more, and be far more useful than the Tesla.

And yet again I'm telling you it's a concept of a sleek stylish sporty car that is coming on line. It may not be the "great car" but it's cars like this that lead to the great cars. A Model T wasn't a Corvette either.

A car can not be 'great' if no one can afford it. The key factor of the Model T was that it allowed anyone to afford it.

You've got me. Oil is cheap... gas is cheap... heck tomorrow they'll be giving it away. They're saying that $126 a barrel will probably get to $200 a barrel but my heads in the sand with yours... not LoL!!! :D

Don't be stupid. Of course gas will increase in cost. The complete idiots, that people of your view point voted for, are continuing to force us to import oil, which undoubtedly will increase the cost of fuel. As long as you "head in the sand" fools, keep preventing drilling and exploration of oil, the cost will always continue to rise. As long as idiots support morons that keep passing legislation that cost the oil companies money, the price will rise. I have no doubt we will be paying $12/gal in just a few years at best, as long as people like you keep your head shoved so far up your politics you can't see how things really are.
 
Andy;37623]The first mass produced hybrid was made by the Lohner Coach Factory in 1901 and built by Ferdinand Porsche (whose son created the Porsche auto company). The second mass produced hybrid was made in 1915 by Chicago based Woods Motor Vehicle Company. The car named "Dual Power" had a four-cylinder ICE and an electric motor. Below 15 mph (25 km/h) the electric motor alone drove the vehicle, drawing power from a battery pack, and above this speed the "main" engine cut in to take the car up to its 35 mph (55 km/h) top speed. Sounds strikingly familiar? Like right out of a Toyota hand book eh?

You know ANDY I'm 51 years old. I've owned 2 Body Shops and a Custom Motorcycle business. Been a member in both Mustang and Corvette Clubs. Been a car show judge and have been to so many cars shows and swap meets I can't count 'em all. And now in property management I drive about 150 to 200 miles a day from property to property.

A say all this to point this out... In all this time I've never seen any of those cars anywhere. I see Prius, Camry and Escape hybrids every single day.... oh and I think when I see them they're going over 35 mph because they're usually passing me...
:D

It's just the evolution of an idea and the market. The idea and proto types for a stealth type flying wing design aircraft had too been around for a long long time too. Many proto types were expermented with with poor success. But eventually there became the F117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter.

I would be interested in talking with said person. I know of another that has the electric clown town car too. There was a dealership near here, but it closed.

Old guy likes it. Lives in Gahanna... Columbus suburb.


If I want a V12 Lamborghini roadster at 12 MPG, I should have that right. It's called freedom, that thing socialists hate.

I understand your thinking. The problem is there is becoming a national crisis. There is a commodity that is skyrocketing in cost and right now everybody needs to be a little more conservative with this commodity because of limited options for general basic transportation. All that's going to happen is new cars and light trucks are going to have to get 35 MPG highway instead of 26 and even that is going to be phased in. There will still be cars sold outside of these standards but they'll be gas guzzler taxed to encourage some conservation.

Because it's a valid point. You claim the greatness of the Tesla. Yet my Buick, old as it is, can do far more, and be far more useful than the Tesla.

:D Your Buick can do more than a Porsche Boxer if you need to take more than one other person somewhere. My point remains though. This is only the beginning. The same argument was make that horses would always be better at plowing fields than some stupid machine. 'Lot of tractors out there today.
 
I understand your thinking. The problem is there is becoming a national crisis. There is a commodity that is skyrocketing in cost and right now everybody needs to be a little more conservative with this commodity because of limited options for general basic transportation. All that's going to happen is new cars and light trucks are going to have to get 35 MPG highway instead of 26 and even that is going to be phased in. There will still be cars sold outside of these standards but they'll be gas guzzler taxed to encourage some conservation.

No, liberal/socialist causing high gas prices is the national crisis. Tyrants can always justify their invasion of freedom somehow. That's all this is.

:D Your Buick can do more than a Porsche Boxer if you need to take more than one other person somewhere. My point remains though. This is only the beginning. The same argument was make that horses would always be better at plowing fields than some stupid machine. 'Lot of tractors out there today.

Yeah but you can go to Cedar Point and back in one day in a Boxer, and tote enough stuff for a weekend trip too.

I have to admit, you are either willfully ignorant, or insanely optimistic. Reminds me of Iridum, the world wide phone communication system that Motorola invested 16 satellites in, that now are space junk. Or more recent, segway, now a huge flop.

http://www.fortfreedom.org/s51.htm
From the Journal of Law and Economics
Earlier analyses of the effects of fuel-economy regulation have missed an important point. Fuel economy regulation inevitably leads to smaller, lighter cars that are inherently less safe than the cars that would be produced without a binding fuel economy constraint.

when any discussion of energy conservation focuses on the externalities in energy consumption, we would suggest that all such externalities be included. When safety considerations are included, CAFE appears to be a very costly social policy.

I'm shocked.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/3374271.html?page=1
The Volkswagen Lupo 3L turbodiesel and the Audi A2, which use the same engine, have both edged close to 80 mpg. That's better than a hybrid. On the downside, that amazing three-cylinder diesel doesn't meet U.S. emissions standards and the vehicles are Ringling Bros. size by American standards.

Your socialists have prevented this high gas milage engine from coming here. Under my system, auto makers would be far more free to innovate. Like I said, many cars will not sell because Americans expect more, and your socialists have too many regulations and controls on the auto industry.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/130439
(50 MPG car is possible...) But here's the problem: to get to 50mpg in the near future, consumers would have to trade off at least one of three very important things—cost, drive quality or safety. That's because the quickest way to make a car more fuel-efficient is to make it smaller, lighter and equip it with some high-tech (a.k.a. costly) propulsion system like a plug-in gas-electric system.

[Ford] ran a computer simulation on what would happen to the mileage of a Ford Focus small car if you built it entirely out of lightweight aluminum. Losing the steel allowed the Focus to drop 1,000 pounds—30 percent of its body weight. That enabled Ford to outfit it with a tiny one-liter engine, half the size of its old engine, but far more fuel efficient because of new technology. Best of all, the small motor goes just as fast as the big one because the car is so much lighter. The result: fuel economy on this fabulous Focus went from 35mpg to 50mpg. What's stopping Ford from moving this car from pixels to pavement? The cost of an all-aluminum car could top $50,000.

Huh? To get 50 MPG one has to trade off either price, drive quality or safety? Strange that sounds vaguely familiar... why yes, in fact... I said that! :D You want a $50K Focus? :rolleyes:
 
Andy;37644]No, liberal/socialist causing high gas prices is the national crisis. Tyrants can always justify their invasion of freedom somehow. That's all this is.

I think we all know your whole "tyrant" thing is way over playing your hand. I guess if you believe everybody is after you... both major political parties and the VAST majority of experts you have to lash out at somebody... guess that's me. Shame you have to live that way though.

par·a·noid (pār'ə-noid')
adj. Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others: a paranoid suspicion that the phone might be bugged... or the government is just making up the petrol problem. :D


But you did see what I was saying about the Stealth Fighter technology parable. Time marches forward.

Yeah but you can go to Cedar Point and back in one day in a Boxer, and tote enough stuff for a weekend trip too.

Yadda, yadda, yadda and your Buick won't haul cement because it's not a cement truck. :)

I have to admit, you are either willfully ignorant, or insanely optimistic. Reminds me of Iridum, the world wide phone communication system that Motorola invested 16 satellites in, that now are space junk. Or more recent, segway, now a huge flop.

Hey ANDY... remember when cells phones looked like big Army Field Radios bigger than a red brick and it cost about $5 bucks a minute to use 'em???

Hint: Not like that anymore. Things were way improved and got cheap.


Beam him into the 21st century Scotty... :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcvMtvdoKhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9RwkBgsosI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cPHtQ0tTw
 
Huh? To get 50 MPG one has to trade off either price, drive quality or safety?

Not at all...one simply needs to take a regular small or midsize car, throw the gas engine in the dumpster & install a turbocharged, aftercooled diesel.
 
I think we all know your whole "tyrant" thing is way over playing your hand. I guess if you believe everybody is after you... both major political parties and the VAST majority of experts you have to lash out at somebody... guess that's me. Shame you have to live that way though.

par·a·noid (pār'ə-noid')
adj. Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others: a paranoid suspicion that the phone might be bugged... or the government is just making up the petrol problem. :D

Yeah and just because I'm paranoid... doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me! j/k.

You can't dismiss the fact your socialist politicians are the cause of the gas prices. And sorry, but sticking your head in the sand and mumbling about experts, doesn't change the fact they are scientifically wrong about the origins of Oil.

"competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century." (as in, ya'll stupid)

Yadda, yadda, yadda and your Buick won't haul cement because it's not a cement truck.

Nor will your Tesla or Prius. Point?

Hey ANDY... remember when cells phones looked like big Army Field Radios bigger than a red brick and it cost about $5 bucks a minute to use 'em???

Hint: Not like that anymore. Things were way improved and got cheap.

That's all great and peachy. And honestly, if they can drop the price of a 50 MPG hybrid down to the cost of a Cavalier, I'll buy it. But when you socialist scum bags, put in regulations, restrictions and controls, that raise the price of a Cavalier to the that of a hybrid, to force us to buy the kind of car you want us to buy... you are being a tyrant. Sorry if you get tired of me calling out what you are, but you are what you are.

That was sooo corny... I actually want a hybrid less now, which I wasn't sure was possible. Here I look up scientific facts and research, and you respond with cheezy Joe Bob's Hybrid Video! You know, isn't it odd that you don't even own a hybrid, yet just because of how far your head is shoved up your politics, you are here trying to sing their praises without owning one...

Again, if you want to blow your money, feel free to go get one. :p Btw, latest resale numbers indicate used hybrids sell badly. As in, the Insight has a horrible reputation, and the Hybrid Camry is selling for exactly the same as a regular Camry even though the original price is much higher. So not only will you never save enough gas to justify the additional cost, but when you resell, it will bring in the same as others $6K cheaper.

"According to most analyses, including a recent one by Consumer Reports, it would be difficult to justify purchasing a hybrid for economic reasons alone." -CNNMoney (as in, ya'll stupid) :cool:
 
Andy;37848]Yeah and just because I'm paranoid... doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me! j/k.

I think when people say that though it's said as a comical take on really being paranoid. :D

You can't dismiss the fact your socialist politicians are the cause of the gas prices. And sorry, but sticking your head in the sand and mumbling about experts, doesn't change the fact they are scientifically wrong about the origins of Oil.

Well I'm gonna have too. :)

I don't have to know about the origin of oil. Until someone scientifically proves how it "breeds" and will never run out I'm going with the Vast majority of experts in the field that say it will. Gas is $4 bucks a gallon and up and we need to need it less. Better for less pollution too.

Nor will your Tesla or Prius. Point?

Not every car has to be (or is) good for every application. Doesn't mean an electric car can't be just perfect for some... and they'll evolve to be even much, much better.

"According to most analyses, including a recent one by Consumer Reports, it would be difficult to justify purchasing a hybrid for economic reasons alone." -CNNMoney (as in, ya'll stupid) :cool:

Hybrids are great. I test drove the Camry before I bought my new Lexus. If the Camry had the Lexus leather, wood trim and same instrument and cabin lighting... I'd have bought it, and for less than the Lex.

Just like cells phones the price will come down, new types will come out from different manufacturers. There will come a time when driving a hybrid or something other than a straight gas car will be as common as it is now for a car to have a turbo charger or be a diesel.

Just the world moving on with new things. Nothing to worry about. ;)
 
Well I'm gonna have too. :)

That's called "willfully ignorant". I'm not surprised. Informations forces people to confront the foolishness of their political and world views. Willful ignorance is safe because it allows you to cling to the theory you know something... when you really do not.

I don't have to know about the origin of oil. Until someone scientifically proves how it "breeds" and will never run out I'm going with the Vast majority of experts in the field that say it will. Gas is $4 bucks a gallon and up and we need to need it less. Better for less pollution too.

Duh, the vast majority of 'experts' say it won't. Need I repeat the prior statement? Everyone competent in the field already knows oil is continuously being made in an inorganic process. Funny how liberals will except some talking heads, who likely have never even been to an oil well, on a ratings driven, 'sky is falling', TV news program, yet real experts who actually do work in the field are some how not qualified. (what I said was, ya'll stupid)

Not every car has to be (or is) good for every application. Doesn't mean an electric car can't be just perfect for some... and they'll evolve to be even much, much better.

I didn't say it did. There are tons of cars that are very good in very limited applications. But the topic was "greatest American cars", not "Best in vertical market cars".

You know, the people in 1899, 1912, 1923, 1947, 1954, 1966, 1976 all said that electric vehicles would take over the world. All of which are gone, and of course the most spectacular failure, the EV1 in 1997.

But like I said, I'm for you being able to buy whatever car you wish. Stop trying to dictate what cars others drive.

Hybrids are great. I test drove the Camry before I bought my new Lexus. If the Camry had the Lexus leather, wood trim and same instrument and cabin lighting... I'd have bought it, and for less than the Lex.

Yeah. I've been in both the Hybrid Camry and the Prius. Both were uninspiring. If you liked it great. The Prius was over priced and boring to me. The Camry had no chance because it was no different than the regular, and I knew mathematically I'd save money buying the regular one.

Just like cells phones the price will come down, new types will come out from different manufacturers. There will come a time when driving a hybrid or something other than a straight gas car will be as common as it is now for a car to have a turbo charger or be a diesel.

Just the world moving on with new things. Nothing to worry about. ;)

Not worried about new things. I work at a company that sells new technology. I am concerned about un-American nit wits taking away our freedom in the name of security from oil.
 
Andy;37888]That's called "willfully ignorant". I'm not surprised.
You know... I know exactly how you feel... :D

I didn't say it did. There are tons of cars that are very good in very limited applications. But the topic was "greatest American cars", not "Best in vertical market cars".

Sure ya did. I was giving examples of new technology being put in a sleek race car style body. I said this was just the beginning and someday we'd look back at cars like this as valuable in automotive history......... and you started droolin' all over that fine world class "82 Buick again". :D


You know, the people in 1899, 1912, 1923, 1947, 1954, 1966, 1976 all said that electric vehicles would take over the world. All of which are gone, and of course the most spectacular failure, the EV1 in 1997.

I hope they stop making electric cars and just come out with a Buick retro 82. That would be one sweeeeeeeet ride. Won't be able to keep the women away!!! Tesla's are ugly.

But like I said, I'm for you being able to buy whatever car you wish. Stop trying to dictate what cars others drive.

You can. If you buy something gas hoggy brand new you'll pay a gas guzzler tax. Wait a year or two... they'll depreciate where you can afford one.

Yeah. I've been in both the Hybrid Camry and the Prius. Both were uninspiring. If you liked it great. The Prius was over priced and boring to me. The Camry had no chance because it was no different than the regular, and I knew mathematically I'd save money buying the regular one.

Girlfriend wanted to by a Prius and I talked her into the Jetta because I too think the Prius is dog ugly. The Camry was good looking, great gas mileage, comfortable family size ride. Too big for her... I liked it fine.

The interiors on a Camry aren't as good as on the Lexus and the Lexus had some additional luxury features. So I traded my GMC SUV for the Lexus and it bumped me up an additional 10 to 15 MPG and I still get the big car luxury ride. All is good and I'm saving a nice chunk of gas.


All this said... CAFE Standard is going up and so will the price of gas. Good luck at the pump my friend...

And here's my next car for sure... when they make it a hybrid... or electric... or anything else...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ioS10LZTKg
 
You know... I know exactly how you feel... :D

Clearly you do. You model it below.

Sure ya did. I was giving examples of new technology being put in a sleek race car style body. I said this was just the beginning and someday we'd look back at cars like this as valuable in automotive history......... and you started droolin' all over that fine world class "82 Buick again". :D

Scientifically inept, and intellectually bankrupt. You truly are a model example for socialists everywhere. No logic, just made up straw-man arguments. Feel free to defeat another made up point. You surely can't defeat anything else.

I hope they stop making electric cars and just come out with a Buick retro 82. That would be one sweeeeeeeet ride. Won't be able to keep the women away!!! Tesla's are ugly.

I don't drive my car in order to pick up women. Further, a woman that did want me due to my car, is a pretty lame women. Of course in your case, given how inept you are mentally in this thread, I wager what car you drive is all you have going for you.

You can. If you buy something gas hoggy brand new you'll pay a gas guzzler tax. Wait a year or two... they'll depreciate where you can afford one.

Right, so in a free society where all men are considered equal, I have to pay a penalty on my choices, whereas you do not? That's equal? Here's equal... if you pay the tax, I pay the tax. If you do not, I do not. Taxes should be against equal men, equally. Take your socialist garbage to Cuba. The land of the free doesn't suit you obviously.

All this said... CAFE Standard is going up and so will the price of gas. Good luck at the pump my friend...

Right, so clearly CAFE didn't help did it? And clearly you even know that CAFE won't stop the price of gas going up, cause you say that here. So it still isn't going to help. Yet the quality of the cars will go down. And as long people of your ilk keep voting in socialists, the price of gas will of course go up.
 
Andy;38092]
Scientifically inept, and intellectually bankrupt. You truly are a model example for socialists everywhere. No logic, just made up straw-man arguments. Feel free to defeat another made up point. You surely can't defeat anything else.

You do know that just because you childishly name call and scream at the clouds that doesn't override the fact that you've steadily been rebutted and made to look rather backward and silly. ;)

I don't drive my car in order to pick up women. Further, a woman that did want me due to my car, is a pretty lame women. Of course in your case, given how inept you are mentally in this thread, I wager what car you drive is all you have going for you.

And from reading your drivel I honestly doubt a car would help. :D I personally just like cars... and motorcycles (and women). You've made it abundantly clear what think is great cutting edge technology and what you like... the 82 Buick. I say to each his own. I hope you two will be extremely happy together as the rest of the modern world moves on to bigger and better things.

Right, so in a free society where all men are considered equal, I have to pay a penalty on my choices, whereas you do not? That's equal? Here's equal... if you pay the tax, I pay the tax. If you do not, I do not. Taxes should be against equal men, equally. Take your socialist garbage to Cuba. The land of the free doesn't suit you obviously.
Socialist... Cuba... ANDY'S throwing a temper tantrum... I hear ya. Bla bla bla.

But still the fact remains everyone pays more... the more gas is in short supply for whatever reason. Like it or not in "reality land" off the river of de-nile America needs more good quality fuel efficient vehicles. The new CAFE standards set the bar for the vast majority of new cars that will be coming into the market... that will then become the standard used cars. In doing so Americans save fuel.

I'm proud that companies like Toyota have stepped up and are producing not just the little Prius's but larger good looking cars in hybrid like the Camry. I even see Lexus has a line of hybrids out. And then there's the American SUV's the Escape, Mountaineer & Tahoe.

America moves on... but you have every right to stay stuck in a typewriter world with big huge cellular phones and big tube TV's.

I'll post some comparisons just to look at and compare for fun.

A couple of the modern era...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbXqez2u-Zg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCsxbG10Tks


And a couple for the ANDY'S of this world in the land that time forgot.:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpD9h2Cd1NM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh650pM9XyU
 
You do know that just because you childishly name call and scream at the clouds that doesn't override the fact that you've steadily been rebutted and made to look rather backward and silly. ;)

Yeah, which is why I post facts, and you post cheesy youtube ignorance. Call it what you want, it's true. You on the other hand have nothing to support your ignorance.

And from reading your drivel I honestly doubt a car would help. :D I personally just like cars... and motorcycles (and women). You've made it abundantly clear what think is great cutting edge technology and what you like... the 82 Buick. I say to each his own. I hope you two will be extremely happy together as the rest of the modern world moves on to bigger and better things.

This proves you are still intellectually dishonest and incapable of rational arguments. You are dismissed.

Socialist... Cuba... ANDY'S throwing a temper tantrum... I hear ya. Bla bla bla.

But still the fact remains everyone pays more... the more gas is in short supply for whatever reason. Like it or not in "reality land" off the river of de-nile America needs more good quality fuel efficient vehicles. The new CAFE standards set the bar for the vast majority of new cars that will be coming into the market... that will then become the standard used cars. In doing so Americans save fuel.


Once again... it is your own fault we are paying more for oil. You and the idiots like you. You can whiny about de-nile and 'reality land' and all the other ignorant garbage you like. Truth is, the policies that socialist morons in government have enacted (voted in by idiots), are causing the high gas prices, and will continue to do so.

Why do they do this? Because they know that causing high gas prices will cause more idiots, such as some in this thread, to support even more government control. (which is exactly what is happening) Castro would be proud.

I'm proud that companies like Toyota have stepped up and are producing not just the little Prius's but larger good looking cars in hybrid like the Camry. I even see Lexus has a line of hybrids out. And then there's the American SUV's the Escape, Mountaineer & Tahoe.

You think the Camry is a "larger good looking car"? That was joke right? Front head room and leg room is smaller in a Camry. The wheelbase is just 3 inches longer. Not exactly huge. There are dozens of larger cars. As far as good looking... well you are on your own in that preference.

I'll post some comparisons just to look at and compare for fun.

In your world, Ford would still be using the motto "you can have any color you want, provided it's black". Except here it would be, you can have any car you want provided it's government issued size, government issued milage, and if you want anything else, you have to either pay thousands in taxes, or submitted a reason for needing it, that meets the government dictated regulations.

In short, a socialist government squashing freedom. What is worse, none of this will help gas prices because the socialists in our government know that it's their actions, causing gas prices to raise, are what lead fools to support more government controls... I cite this thread as proof.
 
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Andy;38227]Yeah, which is why I post facts, and you post cheesy youtube ignorance. Call it what you want, it's true. You on the other hand have nothing to support your ignorance.

No you post your opinion which you are entitled to do. The world is moving away from your position and you are wrong about most things... but you're still entitled to an opinion.

This proves you are still intellectually dishonest and incapable of rational arguments. You are dismissed.

WHAT!!! :D I truly don't think a mere car could make you attractive to anyone let alone women... you have a bad temper and your only resort is to name call. Maybe the Lottery but not just a brand new car... LoL!!!:D


Once again... it is your own fault we are paying more for oil. You and the idiots like you.

WOW... you'd think one of the two Political Parties would bust that secret out right away! They'd be sure to win every election with proof of that! The over side was boondoggling the entire nation that way. You'd better get your paperwork together jump start the Buick and drive on over to Washington and show somebody this right NOW! :)

You think the Camry is a "larger good looking car"?

Great mid-size sedan and actually the best selling car in America for years after it beat out the Ford Taurus. The Camry nameplate is even in NASCAR now. Honda Accord is another great car for today.

Now I will grant you they're no 82 Buick... but not everyone is as fortunate as you to have such a prized piece.


Let's seriously just compare old tech to new just for kicks anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1C-ipDKgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OnH8nWbIU
 
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