free health care?

[9sublime]

Nothing is free, especially healthcare. Look around the world. Nations with socialized health care are being driven into the ground by abuse, and people are dying on waiting lists as a result.

I don't know where you get your idea that every country with a national health service is being driven into the ground. Sure, in Britain the waiting lists are longer than private, but in the end you still get quality treatment.
While in America poor people just cant get treatment and have to die while they are not on a waiting list. Name me a country that has been driven into the ground by its NHS. Anyway, with all that money America has they could, and should, make it work rather than wasting it on weapons.

 

[palerider]

I don't know where you get your idea that every country with a national health service is being driven into the ground. Sure, in Britain the waiting lists are longer than private, but in the end you still get quality treatment.

Unless you die while waiting. (which isn't all that rare) And unless you need a drug that you can't get. I have cancer (in remission) as the result of chemical exposure while I was in the military. I recieved treatment with a monoclonal antibody that has put my cancer in remission for the past 8 years when my chances of achieving a remission were very poor indeed. The drug I was given was quite expensive ($8000 for a 100 milligram dose) and you simply can't get it in any nation that has socialized medicine. If you live in one of those nations, and want this drug, you come here.

While in America poor people just cant get treatment and have to die while they are not on a waiting list. Name me a country that has been driven into the ground by its NHS. Anyway, with all that money America has they could, and should, make it work rather than wasting it on weapons.

Once again, not true. While I was recieving my treatment, there was an elderly fellow who was on medicaid that was recieving the exact same drug.

 

[r0beph]

Unless you die while waiting. (which isn't all that rare) And unless you need a drug that you can't get. I have cancer (in remission) as the result of chemical exposure while I was in the military. I recieved treatment with a monoclonal antibody that has put my cancer in remission for the past 8 years when my chances of achieving a remission were very poor indeed. The drug I was given was quite expensive ($8000 for a 100 milligram dose) and you simply can't get it in any nation that has socialized medicine. If you live in one of those nations, and want this drug, you come here.



Once again, not true. While I was recieving my treatment, there was an elderly fellow who was on medicaid that was recieving the exact same drug.

Unless you have insurance that won't pay for your required medical treatment (ie cure) so you get the help to die peacefully. (see bone marrow transplants for leukemia patients, those claims are denied quite often, so instead, morphine is their treatment.) But then they do give medicare for the elderly, I mean if you get sick, wait till you're old, or pay the exuberant insurance costs.

 

[palerider]

Unless you have insurance that won't pay for your required medical treatment (ie cure) so you get the help to die peacefully. (see bone marrow transplants for leukemia patients, those claims are denied quite often, so instead, morphine is their treatment.) But then they do give medicare for the elderly, I mean if you get sick, wait till you're old, or pay the exuberant insurance costs.

It depends on the type of leukemia with regard to bone marrow transplants. Transplants are shown to be effective in some types and ineffective in others.

No system is perfect, but ours, for all its faults, is better than anywhere else. Also, if you can't afford a drug, a bit of research into various private foundations, and the drug manufacturers themselves will almost always yield a someone that will help out or even foot the entire bill. It really isn't reasonable to expect for the private organizations to seek out people who could benefit from their help. If a person simply chooses to wait and die rather than try to find help in the private sector, that is their problem if you ask me.

 

[PLC1]

There is no such thing as free health care. Universal health care exists in every advanced nation except in the USA, but free doesn't happen and never will.

Speaking of those other nations, they all spend a lot smaller share of their GDP on health care than we do, yes every single one of them, and the best run ones have just as good or better care than we do.

Now, there are a couple of ways to reason out whether we should have universal care:

The first way is the pragmatic way:
Every nation in the world except us has universal care,
Everyone else pay less than we do,
Therefore we should come up with our own universal care, after carefully studying what the other guys are doing.

The second way is the ideological way:

We're the greatest nation in the world, and don't have to follow anyone else's example.

We're gonna do it our own way, dammit, regardless.

Universal care is socialistic, and socialism never works, so universal care won't work either.

 

[evelyna]

Free Health Care Does Exist

What about the politicans and company paid health care? Also people make the emergency room their free health clinic.
If they want to ration care-they can eliminate the obese,smokers and other self-inflicted problems.
If people did not believe they could just take a pill to to cure any disease maybe people would wise up and keep themselves healthy.
Of course the pharmacutical industry would not be too happy with a loss of profits.
I would think the government would provide some kind of alternative heathcare education to the poor. After all this will keep the healthcare ranks from swelling.
I have a friend who went to a dentist and he was told he needed to have an infection cleaned out by a peridontist who wanted $1,800. He also said he should have all of his teeth removed. It was his sister's dentist.
He went to a different dentist and the dentist said he had no infection in the roots and his teeth had good roots so why would he want to get them removed?
I think a lot of the health care people are far from being professional. They are like other crocks who only care about profit.
Is this the kind of capitalism we want in the medical field?