How many of our pols would sign this today?

WTH THC... You post this, but don't know what a liberal is? Come come now.

Liberals do not believe in the Constitution. Do you not know this? They have bastardized it, ignored it, and condemned it for decades. They think it is a "living document' Do you know what they mean by that? I would guess you do not. Let me inform you. They mean it can be whatever the libs want it to mean. This also means, we are not really a constitutional republic, but a tyranny run be elitist liberals.

This is a fine time to continue your education. You see most Conservatives believe the Constitution is to be revered and followed as the Founders intended it be followed. Any changes are subject to the amendment process.

Now do you see the difference between DF liberals and conservatives? Liberals want tyranny and conservatives want liberty.

Liberty or tyranny? Which will it be?

You don't know diddly about Liberal beliefs and you show it with each & every post. :rolleyes:

All you really flounder to do is negatively stereotype people to serve some completely inflexible lock step Far Right Wing agenda.


Jesus was a Liberal

Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life. He rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent goodness. What Jesus promoted was succinct set of spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love, compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance in giving and of generosity to those in need.

Our common sense understanding of His lessons as philosophically and politically Liberal is founded upon Jesus' own words (see quotes below), modern interpretations of Liberation Theology, and in the positive, loving and compassionate application of His teachings - from the many early Saints to Mother Theresa and Liberation Theology.

Certainly, Jesus brought a radically Liberal theology to the Orthodox believers of his time. Jesus IS a Liberal even today because now more than ever, His principals align with the very core of Liberal Beliefs.Biblical Quotes Supporting the Belief that Jesus Is A Liberal

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

Community: Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.] If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21]

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]
 
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You don't know diddly about Liberal beliefs and you show it with each & every post. :rolleyes:

All you really flounder to do is negatively stereotype people to serve some completely inflexible lock step Far Right Wing agenda.


Jesus was a Liberal

Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life. He rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent goodness. What Jesus promoted was succinct set of spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love, compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance in giving and of generosity to those in need.

Our common sense understanding of His lessons as philosophically and politically Liberal is founded upon Jesus' own words (see quotes below), modern interpretations of Liberation Theology, and in the positive, loving and compassionate application of His teachings - from the many early Saints to Mother Theresa and Liberation Theology.

Certainly, Jesus brought a radically Liberal theology to the Orthodox believers of his time. Jesus IS a Liberal even today because now more than ever, His principals align with the very core of Liberal Beliefs.Biblical Quotes Supporting the Belief that Jesus Is A Liberal

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

Community: Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.] If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21]

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

Luke 22:36
He (Jesus) said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Some liberal huh :) I bet he was for partial birth abortion too!!!
 


Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life. He rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs.


The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]




Jesus was not open minded. He preached orthodoxy to the faith. He never veered from it.

And if He was really against the death penalty He could have spared the two thieves who suffered it alongside him. But as was mentioned in th Bible, they deserved it where He did not. And its more like murder than kill. Murder is taking innocent blood. Those being executed are rarely innocent.
 
When Bush signed the "Patriot Act", the most personally intrusive legislation since the civil war, when American citizens were imprisoned without trial, and when US government operatives tortured POW's, not a peep of complaint from the right. When Obama signed a health care bill which makes basic medical care available to nearly all Americans, they scream "tyranny!!!!". Go figure.
 
When Bush signed the "Patriot Act", the most personally intrusive legislation since the civil war, when American citizens were imprisoned without trial, and when US government operatives tortured POW's, not a peep of complaint from the right. When Obama signed a health care bill which makes basic medical care available to nearly all Americans, they scream "tyranny!!!!". Go figure.



No one will top Lincoln for crimes against humanity and the most masterful white wash jobs ever
 
How many would risk their political careers, let alone their lives, to affirm words like these:

Lives, fortune, and sacred honor were not just words. The signers of the declaration could have lost all three.

We find ourselves faced with a government that keeps growing, keeps getting more expensive, more intrusive, less conforming to the will of the people. In response we divide ourselves into "liberal" and "conservative" camps, with each one thinking we have the answers. But, the fact is that the problem of government can't be defined on the ends of a political spectrum. Both ends are in favor of different kinds of authoritarian ideals, and against a government that is instituted to protect our inalienable rights.

The difference in 1776 was that the government was by a foreign power, while today it is home grown.

Is it any less destructive of the ends of protecting our rights than it was under King George? Is it time to do some abolishing, or at least some altering?

It's high time that we, the people stood up and took control.

Your thoughts?

I imagine all the politicians would sign it, most likely because it would basically be considered a non-binding resolution (ie declaration) that would have little real impact today.
 
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When Bush signed the "Patriot Act", the most personally intrusive legislation since the civil war

A bill that had bipartisan support mind you.

when American citizens were imprisoned without trial

When did this happen?

and when US government operatives tortured POW's

Yet again, please show where POW's were "tortured."

not a peep of complaint from the right.

Well, there was probably a lack of outrage about the things you describe because they never actually happened. What actually happened, but is not actually what you describe, did however cause some controversy.

When Obama signed a health care bill which makes basic medical care available to nearly all Americans, they scream "tyranny!!!!". Go figure.

Basic medical care was already available to all Americans. The bill did much more than that.
 
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