The premise is nonsense. Try validating first. Youve been on the attack for some time so worry about your glass house.
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Is needlessly sacrificing your child, as God did, child abuse and murder?
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Dawkinsrocks
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If god could have made the world in any way and he chose the one that would require his son to be tortured and brutally murdered then he is a child killing monster
Just ask Abraham
Or the thousands of babies he drowned in his all loving all good way
You really have to be a ***** to be a Christian
Cue insults from Texas tea but no argument
Just ask Abraham
Or the thousands of babies he drowned in his all loving all good way
You really have to be a ***** to be a Christian
Cue insults from Texas tea but no argument
Gnostic Christian Bishop
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Faith is another indulgence that the adherent must pay to play.
It is a mind destroying requirement to religious scams.
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DL
you place your faith in your take on all this much as atheists place their faith that there is no God. Cant "prove" any of this one way or the other.
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If you read that pist you would note that I said none of this is provable ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. Thsts why its refered to as faith.
Dawkinsrocks
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The difference is this
Because there is no evidence for the existence of god Christians need faith and lots of it
Because there is no evidence for the existence of god atheists don't need faith to disbelieve. They just apply the same rationality to the sentence 'god exists' as they do to the statement 'fairies exist'
And God's lack of existence is only the start of the problem for Christianity
If god does exist then the reporting that is used to prop up that bizarre notion also supports the view that god is a genocidal maniac
An omnipotent being that needs helpers in the form of homoerotic men with swans wings attached to their back
A being who created the devil and allows him to do what he likes forever whilst drowning humans for nothing
A being who could have made the world in any way but chose the one which would require him to have a son for the sole purpose of being brutally tortured and murdered
So you see Christians, even for you atheism is the better way
If I was a Christian i would rather support the view that god does not exist than have to bow and scrape and sing songs to the one you believe does
Because there is no evidence for the existence of god Christians need faith and lots of it
Because there is no evidence for the existence of god atheists don't need faith to disbelieve. They just apply the same rationality to the sentence 'god exists' as they do to the statement 'fairies exist'
And God's lack of existence is only the start of the problem for Christianity
If god does exist then the reporting that is used to prop up that bizarre notion also supports the view that god is a genocidal maniac
An omnipotent being that needs helpers in the form of homoerotic men with swans wings attached to their back
A being who created the devil and allows him to do what he likes forever whilst drowning humans for nothing
A being who could have made the world in any way but chose the one which would require him to have a son for the sole purpose of being brutally tortured and murdered
So you see Christians, even for you atheism is the better way
If I was a Christian i would rather support the view that god does not exist than have to bow and scrape and sing songs to the one you believe does
IMO sometimes Christians have a mistaken definition of "faith". Because faith is sometimes described as believing in things that cannot be seen, Christians often think of faith as an act of believing in things that have no evidential basis. In essence, some Christians believe that true faith is believing in something in spite of the evidence or believing in something when there is no evidence to support the belief in the first place..
But this is not the Biblical definition of faith. While it is true that God is a Spirit and cannot be seen, it is not true that there is no evidence to support the existence of the unseen God. While we may not see anyone throw a rock in a pond, we may indeed see the ripples that the rock created on the surface of the water and come to the belief that someone threw a rock into the pond on the basis of this evidence. In a similar way, there are many good reasons to believe that God exists, and the Biblical model of true faith involves examining the evidence for God’s existence.
The Christian life is more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then share that conclusion with the world around us...
God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to blindly trust everything that might be taught in our world today, even if some Christian teacher is the source! We’re expected to be critical, skeptical and thoughtful...
Christians can make statements precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not. Salvation comes through Christ alone, or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.....
But this is not the Biblical definition of faith. While it is true that God is a Spirit and cannot be seen, it is not true that there is no evidence to support the existence of the unseen God. While we may not see anyone throw a rock in a pond, we may indeed see the ripples that the rock created on the surface of the water and come to the belief that someone threw a rock into the pond on the basis of this evidence. In a similar way, there are many good reasons to believe that God exists, and the Biblical model of true faith involves examining the evidence for God’s existence.
The Christian life is more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then share that conclusion with the world around us...
God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to blindly trust everything that might be taught in our world today, even if some Christian teacher is the source! We’re expected to be critical, skeptical and thoughtful...
Christians can make statements precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not. Salvation comes through Christ alone, or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.....
Dawkinsrocks
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If you see ripples in a pond they could have been caused by many different things
You have jumped to the conclusion that there was someone who caused them by throwing a rock in but they could have been caused by many actions
So your analogy is actually a good one
Christians see effects and jump to the cause as god when there is no evidence to support that hypothesis
The only difference is that a person throwing a rock into a pool is plausible
You have jumped to the conclusion that there was someone who caused them by throwing a rock in but they could have been caused by many actions
So your analogy is actually a good one
Christians see effects and jump to the cause as god when there is no evidence to support that hypothesis
The only difference is that a person throwing a rock into a pool is plausible
Dr.Who
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Well actually the existence of God is provable but so far has only been proven to individuals and small groups while the non-existence of God is totally unprovable.
Dr.Who
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Whether or not one particular explanation turns out the be the right one it is still true that the ripples are evidence for the existence of God. That evidence should be evaluated to determine for yourself what explanation you think is best. What you should not do is claim that there is no evidence.
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Dawkinsrocks
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It isn't true at all
You have just made a ludicrous assertion with no evidence or reasoning behind it
But then that is the staple diet of Christians
You have just made a ludicrous assertion with no evidence or reasoning behind it
But then that is the staple diet of Christians
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