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[Openmind]

You make a lot of assumptions don't you?

Your first mistake is listening to NPR.

Fracking is subject to all sorts of regulations. If an oil and gas company pollutes water used by humans they will be subject to numerous lawsuits...and currently many lawsuits are in the works. Some states are taking action now and the EPA is monitoring fracking operations closely.

So quit screaming the sky is falling...just because the radical left tells you to.

You claim water treatment plants have been contaminated by fracking. This is absurd. If this were so, the oil and gas company responsible would face heavy fines and shut down. You really think water treatment plants can't treat the water because of fracking chemicals resulting in them releasing contaminated drinking water to their customers?

Years ago I had a client that polluted a river accidentally. The river was a source of drinking water by a municipal water treatment plant. He was heavily fined and some of his operation permits were cancelled. He paid to clean up the damage to the treatment plant. He incurred huge costs which nearly closed his business. You pollute...you pay...and I can assure you I know a lot more about this subject than you do...listening to NPR just makes one stupid.

Polluting drinking water in the USA is a crime that will cost you dearly. Companies spend huge amounts of money and implement numerous policies and procedures to make sure it does not happen.

You cite one act as if that means fracking operations can freely pollute. Nothing could be further from the truth.

See. . .I think listening to Fox News makes someone stupid!

And, many big polluters don't mind polluting because:
1. They hope they won't get caught, and they "grease" enough pockets not to get caught too quickly.
2. If they get caught, they "grease" a few more pockets, hoping that the report will get loss in the shuffle
3. If they get caught, and too many people are involved and screaming, they have to pay fines that are much lower than the profit they have made, or would have made if they had not been caught.

So, it's part of their "risk analysis" and "cost/benefit analysis!"

 

[Lagboltz]

You make a lot of assumptions don't you?

Your first mistake is listening to NPR.

Fracking is subject to all sorts of regulations. If an oil and gas company pollutes water used by humans they will be subject to numerous lawsuits...and currently many lawsuits are in the works. Some states are taking action now and the EPA is monitoring fracking operations closely.

So quit screaming the sky is falling...just because the radical left tells you to.

Read the EPA website link again. It does not come from NPR.

You claim water treatment plants have been contaminated by fracking. This is absurd. If this were so, the oil and gas company responsible would face heavy fines and shut down. You really think water treatment plants can't treat the water because of fracking chemicals resulting in them releasing contaminated drinking water to their customers?

It certainly is absurd. I am as shocked as you are.

Years ago I had a client that polluted a river accidentally. The river was a source of drinking water by a municipal water treatment plant. He was heavily fined and some of his operation permits were cancelled. He paid to clean up the damage to the treatment plant. He incurred huge costs which nearly closed his business. You pollute...you pay...and I can assure you I know a lot more about this subject than you do...listening to NPR just makes one stupid.

Polluting drinking water in the USA is a crime that will cost you dearly. Companies spend huge amounts of money and implement numerous policies and procedures to make sure it does not happen.

Good to hear that they were caught and dealt with.

You cite one act as if that means fracking operations can freely pollute. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Read the EPA link again.
I see you firmly believe in Stephen Colbert's Truthiness.

Truthiness is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" in that it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

 

[dahermit]

Oh too bad. I had such high hopes that you might be leaving the country.

Why is it you libs who hate the country and want to transform it into a socialist sh*thole always refuse to leave? There are lots of sh*tty socialist nations out there. There has to be one to your liking.

My buddy in Florida with the rickety boat charges $1,000 to get you into Cuba illegally. Problem is he is forced to drop you 7 miles from shore. Can you swim the rest of the way?

It is not the "country" that liberals hate, it is the conservative Nazi vision of it they hate...and of course the Kapo mentality of the less-than-rich conservatives who wish to return the robber barons, and the elite aristocracy of the wealthy. Go play with yourself. You bore me.

 

[Gipper]

It is not the "country" that liberals hate, it is the conservative Nazi vision of it they hate...and of course the Kapo mentality of the less-than-rich conservatives who wish to return the robber barons, and the elite aristocracy of the wealthy. Go play with yourself. You bore me.

If you really believe this gibberish, why not leave the country?

Your post only proves how out of touch with reality you are.

You lefties are told all kinds of hateful, intolerant, and ignorant things by your media and amazingly, you believe it.

Sad. Very sad.

 

[Gipper]

Read the EPA website link again. It does not come from NPR.

It certainly is absurd. I am as shocked as you are.

Good to hear that they were caught and dealt with.

Read the EPA link again.
I see you firmly believe in Stephen Colbert's Truthiness.

Truthiness is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" in that it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Can we agree that fracking is under considerable scrutiny by several government entities?

The garbage you cited about horrendous pollution to drinking water sources and water treatment plants caused by fracking is nothing more than a scare tactic you sadly accepted. Many greenie groups have mobilized using these scare tactics to make money. And, the Dem supporting plaintiffs bar sees a gold mine in lawsuits.

Geez...I wish I had thought to taking money from silly gullible liberals who believe industry is polluting the nation like its 1965.

The EPA and many states are watching fracking operations very closely. Yet, you believe these operations are polluting with impunity. Do you not see how illogical that is?

I have got to figure out a way to take money from liberals like the whacky greenie groups have.

 

[Lagboltz]

Can we agree that fracking is under considerable scrutiny by several government entities?

Sure.

The garbage you cited about horrendous pollution to drinking water sources and water treatment plants caused by fracking is nothing more than a scare tactic you sadly accepted. Many greenie groups have mobilized using these scare tactics to make money. And, the Dem supporting plaintiffs bar sees a gold mine in lawsuits.

Thanks to regulations they are no longer putting the harshest chemicals into the water table. But fracking under EPA guide lines is still putting soluble flammable gases into water tables.

Geez...I wish I had thought to taking money from silly gullible liberals who believe industry is polluting the nation like its 1965.

This is the type of exaggerated dialog that causes you to not be taken seriously.

The EPA and many states are watching fracking operations very closely. Yet, you believe these operations are polluting with impunity. Do you not see how illogical that is?

Yes, things are more under control.

I have got to figure out a way to take money from liberals like the whacky greenie groups have.

Thank heavens for whacky greenie groups. The oil business needs eternal vigilance by these groups.

 

[Gipper]

This is the type of exaggerated dialog that causes you to not be taken seriously.

I am glad we agree, but why did you get all hysterical after listening to the commies on NPR?

You screamed like Chicken Little...when in fact, the reality of the situation is nothing even close to what you purported.

Do not buy the left wing lies that are spouted constantly by left wing news outlets every day in this country. This is why many on the Left know so much that isn't so and get fleeced by left wing organizations like the greenie groups.

 

[Openmind]

I am glad we agree, but why did you get all hysterical after listening to the commies on NPR?

You screamed like Chicken Little...when in fact, the reality of the situation is nothing even close to what you purported.

Do not buy the left wing lies that are spouted constantly by left wing news outlets every day in this country. This is why many on the Left know so much that isn't so and get fleeced by left wing organizations like the greenie groups.

How is it in your reversed world?

It seems that you are seeing this world in a mirror. . . and you think you are looking at it through a window!

Funny what projection can do!

 

[Lagboltz]

I am glad we agree, but why did you get all hysterical after listening to the commies on NPR?

You screamed like Chicken Little...when in fact, the reality of the situation is nothing even close to what you purported.

Do not buy the left wing lies that are spouted constantly by left wing news outlets every day in this country. This is why many on the Left know so much that isn't so and get fleeced by left wing organizations like the greenie groups.

I am going to print a few words of your post out of context:

get all hysterical ... commies on NPR ... screamed like Chicken Little... left wing lies... fleeced by left wing organizations.... greenie groups

It is that type of dialog that is causing a great divide between a large part of our population. I came to this forum partly to understand what people are thinking, and a lot of it like the above phrases is vacuous ugliness.

I am midway between far left and center. What I hear on NPR is not left wing in my opinion. They documented a problem that you are still not aware of. I would guess that if the entire population was required to hear one day's worth of NPR, at least 50% would say it is not left wing. But you want to lump at least 50% of the population as listeners to what commies are saying. I see no hope in closing the divide when people both right and left are determined not to understand each other, but only want to clash their brittle egos and insult each other.

 

[Openmind]

I am going to print a few words of your post out of context:

get all hysterical ... commies on NPR ... screamed like Chicken Little... left wing lies... fleeced by left wing organizations.... greenie groups

It is that type of dialog that is causing a great divide between a large part of our population. I came to this forum partly to understand what people are thinking, and a lot of it like the above phrases is vacuous ugliness.

I am midway between far left and center. What I hear on NPR is not left wing in my opinion. They documented a problem that you are still not aware of. I would guess that if the entire population was required to hear one day's worth of NPR, at least 50% would say it is not left wing. But you want to lump at least 50% of the population as listeners to what commies are saying. I see no hope in closing the divide when people both right and left are determined not to understand each other, but only want to clash their brittle egos and insult each other.

What is really very sad, is that, if one read the S&P report carefully, for understanding, rather than to try to find political "ammunitions," it is clear that that divide between the right and the left, the ugliness of our politics, the partisanship coming first and foremost before our national interest and our reason is exactly what destroyed the world's confidence in our ability to pay our debts, to find BALANCED solutions to our deficit.

Our deficit is not bigger as a percentage of our GDP than many other nations who have kept their AAA ratings. . .because they demonstrated the will to work together, across party lines, to fix their problems.

So, there is a HUGE price to pay for all those mindless insults and canned propaganda. And we are just starting to pay it!

 

[Gipper]

What is really very sad, is that, if one read the S&P report carefully, for understanding, rather than to try to find political "ammunitions," it is clear that that divide between the right and the left, the ugliness of our politics, the partisanship coming first and foremost before our national interest and our reason is exactly what destroyed the world's confidence in our ability to pay our debts, to find BALANCED solutions to our deficit.

Our deficit is not bigger as a percentage of our GDP than many other nations who have kept their AAA ratings. . .because they demonstrated the will to work together, across party lines, to fix their problems.

So, there is a HUGE price to pay for all those mindless insults and canned propaganda. And we are just starting to pay it!

Yeah....there it is...it is all the Tea Party's fault...right? They are to blame as your Messiah and the fool John F-ing Kerry (who served in Vietnam) have said. They are terrorists as Joe (Dumb F**k) Biden as said, and the numerous other nasty comments by socialists in the socialist party.

If only the TP would just go along with the destruction of America by abiding with this unsustainable system. So thinks the lib...

 

[Lagboltz]

What is really very sad, is that, if one read the S&P report carefully, for understanding, rather than to try to find political "ammunitions," it is clear that that divide between the right and the left, the ugliness of our politics, the partisanship coming first and foremost before our national interest and our reason is exactly what destroyed the world's confidence in our ability to pay our debts, to find BALANCED solutions to our deficit.

Our deficit is not bigger as a percentage of our GDP than many other nations who have kept their AAA ratings. . .because they demonstrated the will to work together, across party lines, to fix their problems.

So, there is a HUGE price to pay for all those mindless insults and canned propaganda. And we are just starting to pay it!

Very very interesting. You have a very neutral commentary. You talk about the divide, partisanship, party lines, etc. Immediately Gipper infers that you are saying his party in particular is at fault. And he says that using his usual vocabulary archetype:

your Messiah ... John F-ing Kerry ... they are terrorists ... Joe (Dumb F**k) Biden ... etc

Someone on this thread has anger management issues with a bit of paranoia leaking out. When he ran out of intelligent things to say, he spits bullets. I think he is feeling guilty about how his party was party to the reduction of the AAA rating and he is lashing out at anything he can.

 

[Lagboltz]

Yeah....there it is...it is all the Tea Party's fault...right? They are to blame as your Messiah and the fool John F-ing Kerry (who served in Vietnam) have said. They are terrorists as Joe (Dumb F**k) Biden as said, and the numerous other nasty comments by socialists in the socialist party.

If only the TP would just go along with the destruction of America by abiding with this unsustainable system. So thinks the lib...

How do you think the debt problem should have been handled. I.e. debt ceiling, what programs to cut, what to do with taxes, etc.

It would be helpful if you try to aim for clarity, and avoid a tiresome litany of pejorative adjectives.

 

[Openmind]

Yeah....there it is...it is all the Tea Party's fault...right? They are to blame as your Messiah and the fool John F-ing Kerry (who served in Vietnam) have said. They are terrorists as Joe (Dumb F**k) Biden as said, and the numerous other nasty comments by socialists in the socialist party.

If only the TP would just go along with the destruction of America by abiding with this unsustainable system. So thinks the lib...

I do not believe that I even mentionned the tea party in my comment.

But it is easy to recognize a guilty conscience when one becomes as defensive/aggressive as you are, striking out furiously in every direction in an attempt to move the focus!