Thousands of Brits celebrated Margaret Thatcher death

[dogtowner]

Question,,,, Whats all this has to do with Brits celebrating Margaret Thatcher death?

tangent where sax was attempting to claim USSR killed itself with nothing to do with Lady Thatcher or the Gipper.

 

[Saxon]

ooo ooo I know !

perhaps had their disaster of a political system had not made for an anemic economy the trip to the poorhouse might have been longer.

Precisely my point. I thank you idiots for making it for me. Yet, STILL you are all too stupid to see it. Look again at your own wording to see what caused the collapse of the USSR.

 

[Saxon]

And the fact is ... we played a major role in their demise...

No, you didn't. The WORLD played a role, a world that resisted any switch to communism. You morons act as if you were the ONLY enemy of the Soviet Union. All non-communist states were the enemy of the Soviet Union, therefore the Soviets spent, spent and spent some more for the ruination and eventual conversion of said states. The Soviet economy could not keep up with this due to the failure of communism itself. You dumbfucks mean to suggest YOU and only YOU were the reason communism is a failure, and not the system itself????? Damn, no wonder my fellow Canadians despise you American assholes.

 

[Gipper]

No, you didn't. The WORLD played a role, a world that resisted any switch to communism. You morons act as if you were the ONLY enemy of the Soviet Union. All non-communist states were the enemy of the Soviet Union, therefore the Soviets spent, spent and spent some more for the ruination and eventual conversion of said states. The Soviet economy could not keep up with this due to the failure of communism itself. You dumbfucks mean to suggest YOU and only YOU were the reason communism is a failure, and not the system itself????? Damn, no wonder my fellow Canadians despise you American assholes.

Apparently our favorite Canuck is much smarter than us and most foreign policy experts and historians. Who would have thunk it?

 

[steveox]

Precisely my point. I thank you idiots for making it for me. Yet, STILL you are all too stupid to see it. Look again at your own wording to see what caused the collapse of the USSR.

These People together were the reason of the collapse of the USSR

 

[cashmcall]

No, you didn't. The WORLD played a role, a world that resisted any switch to communism. You morons act as if you were the ONLY enemy of the Soviet Union. All non-communist states were the enemy of the Soviet Union, therefore the Soviets spent, spent and spent some more for the ruination and eventual conversion of said states. The Soviet economy could not keep up with this due to the failure of communism itself. You dumbfucks mean to suggest YOU and only YOU were the reason communism is a failure, and not the system itself????? Damn, no wonder my fellow Canadians despise you American assholes.

I won't argue this point with you..And I never said we were the only reason..

 

[Iolo2]

Going back to the subject, Mrs Thatcher was an extremely wicked person (and I don't often go into the moral position of these capitalist slaves) motivated by spite and hate against her own people while grovelling at all times to the Americans. You only have to listen to her grotesque, manufactured voice to know that she was in no way human. If I believed in Hell I should describe her as a 'sending' therefrom. She was the most evil person ever to grow up in Britain, certainly, desperate to complete Hitler's work.

 

[dogtowner]

Going back to the subject, Mrs Thatcher was an extremely wicked person (and I don't often go into the moral position of these capitalist slaves) motivated by spite and hate against her own people while grovelling at all times to the Americans. You only have to listen to her grotesque, manufactured voice to know that she was in no way human. If I believed in Hell I should describe her as a 'sending' therefrom. She was the most evil person ever to grow up in Britain, certainly, desperate to complete Hitler's work.

dont sugarcoat it I , tell us how you really feel.

 

[Iolo2]

dont sugarcoat it I , tell us how you really feel.

Americans have this genteel dislike of the proper language. When her grave is complete we shall all go there to dance.

 

[dogtowner]

Americans have this genteel dislike of the proper language. When her grave is complete we shall all go there to dance.

I've no doubt there are a few who share your views who will attempt just that.

 

[Cruella]

Americans have this genteel dislike of the proper language. When her grave is complete we shall all go there to dance.

Are you also going to visit Stalin's body to give homage?

 

[dogtowner]

Americans have this genteel dislike of the proper language. When her grave is complete we shall all go there to dance.

by the way, that is a humerous expression of an ironic nature.

 

[Saxon]

George Kennan
American diplomat George F. Kennan proposed his famous containment theory in 1946-47, arguing that, if the Soviet Union were not allowed to expand, it would soon collapse. In the X Article he wrote:

[T]he main element of any United States policy toward the Soviet Union must be a long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of Russian expansive tendencies... Soviet pressure against the free institutions of the Western world​

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George F. Kennan​

is something that can be constrained by the adroit and vigilant application of counter-force at a series of constantly shifting geographical and political points, corresponding to the shifts and manoeuvres of Soviet policy.[15]​

The United States would have to undertake this containment alone and unilaterally, but if it could do so without undermining its own economic health and political stability, the Soviet party structure would undergo a period of immense strain eventually resulting in "either the break-up or the gradual mellowing of Soviet power."[15]
Kennan later regretted the manner in which his theory was received and implemented, it became a core element of American strategy, which consisted of building a series of military alliances around the USSR.[16]

Alrighty then. American propaganda. Here we go...

Twenty years ago, on Dec. 12, 1991, the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Republic ratified the Belavezha Accords. This agreement, which was signed four days earlier by Russian President Boris Yeltsin, Ukrainian leader Leonid Kravchuk and Belarussian leader Stanislav Shushkevich, dissolved the Soviet Union with a stroke of three pens followed by a hasty vote in parliament.


Why were Russia's lawmakers and citizens —not to mention the KGB and military — so indifferent to this destructive and fateful adventurism of Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich?
Some of the answers to these questions can be found in the following:

• The Soviet planned economy had almost completely come to a halt;
• The monopoly of Marxist-Leninist ideology left Soviet society in a spiritual and political vacuum that intensified the search for alternatives;
• The people's desire for basic consumer goods — and the Kremlin's inability to recognize the importance of this elementary desire — led to the emergence of a pervasive shadow economy that was incompatible with the principles of socialism;
• The weakening of the ideological underpinnings of society coupled with the nearly lifeless condition of religion in Russia led to increased interethnic tensions;
• The state campaign against alcohol and the drop in world oil prices drained government coffers, sharply limiting maneuvering room in domestic policy for the Communist Party.

There were also man-made factors behind the Soviet Union's growing internal crisis. They included the following:

• The senior Communist Party leadership allowed control of the media to pass into the hands of "agents of influence" at a time when state counter-propaganda measures had become ineffective;
• A number of activists advocating change joined forces to disrupt food supplies to Moscow and Leningrad, creating an artificially induced, widespread food shortage from 1989 to 1991.
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• The Soviet Union did not die from old age. It was killed by a group of opportunists — some of whom were deceived and driven by naive hopes of a better future, while others were driven by a craving for power and a greedy desire to distribute government property into private hands.

When oil production, and its all-important revenues peaked, the Soviet Union lost the energy mojo that glued its empire together. The empire's collapse was, in other words, another curious tale about energy transitions.
The numbers alone are convincing. Soviet oil production dropped an astounding 50 per cent between 1988 and 1995 from 12 million barrels to seven million barrels. (Under Putin it has returned to 10-million barrels.) As oil drained from the Soviet machine, the nation's stability morphed into Russian chaos and a temporary political renewal.

Various Internet forums are abuzz with Ronald W. Reagan and his contributions to America and the world. Many writers who hardly lived in America during the time Reagan was president for eight long years are now telling us that the 40th president was instrumental in killing the Soviet system of governance. In other words Reagan’s policy of ‘get-tough-with-Russians’ had resulted in the fragmentation of the Soviet bloc. This is simply a naïveté on the part of the new writers who are so eager to give Ronald Reagan all the credit for the dismantling of the Soviet bloc. The truth, however, is that Soviet bloc imploded because of economic strain. The reform to dismantle the age-old economic system was engendered from within.

Mr. Smith wrote the above excerpted material in the introductory section of his book "The New Russian." Clearly, the second Russian Revolution started with Gorbachev’sperestroika. Mr. Reagan or his much touted Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) had very little to do with the impending dismantling of Soviet Union. A long time ago (most likely in the 1990s) I read a biography on Mikhail Gorbachev in which it was mentioned that a white paper written by a team of academicians on Soviet Union’s impending economic disaster had correctly predicted that their nation would go bankrupt if the government keeps on building nuclear arsenals, sends missions to outer space, supports vessel nations such as Cuba and other Eastern European nations belonging to the Soviet bloc.

 

[Saxon]

Going back to the subject, Mrs Thatcher was an extremely wicked person (and I don't often go into the moral position of these capitalist slaves) motivated by spite and hate against her own people while grovelling at all times to the Americans. You only have to listen to her grotesque, manufactured voice to know that she was in no way human. If I believed in Hell I should describe her as a 'sending' therefrom. She was the most evil person ever to grow up in Britain, certainly, desperate to complete Hitler's work.

She saved the very people she hated? If not for Thatcher, Britain would have collapsed completely in exactly the same manner as the USSR, for exactly the same reasons. Uncontrolled socialism was destroying Britain. You know, your beloved commie ideology?

 

[Saxon]

Are you also going to visit Stalin's body to give homage?

He probably has it in his basement freezer, near his shrine to Stalin.