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When did people stop living unto they were 800 + years old?

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  1. Dawkinsrocks

    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    And how did the hip and knee bones survive so long in a world devoid of surgery and mechanisation where that the load was great and the scope for replacement non-existent?

    Did everyone live to be 800 + years old in the times of Abraham or just a few people?

    Or is the story about people living this long just a lie?
     
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    Dawkinsrocks, Christians are diveded on how literal we take parts of the Bible. Liberal Catholics believe the first five books of the Bible are symbolic. Therefore we do not believe that ancient man lived to 800 years. It was not a lie, years were not define.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    how recent is the western standard of keeping time ? relatively new.
     
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    Oh I see this inconvenient bit is not literal

    Aus, what do you think of illiberal Catholics who believe that a wafer turns into the body of Jesus christ in the mouth?

    And that is wise to eat this flesh?

    So when did the bible start telling the truth?

    And why couldn't god write a straightforward manual that didn't make his followers seem so ridiculous?

    Are angels real or figurative?

    Do they have real wings?

    Is men walking on water true or a lie er sorry I mean figurative?

    What about the virgin birth? Are you saying people living to 800 years of age is clearly daft but an angel impregnating a woman with what? God's sperm? That makes sense?

    Or could it possibly be the case ( and I know this is a long shot) that all of it is fiction?

    That would be a much stronger argument than any other interpretation of the bible

    So you have the literalists

    The interpretationalists

    And the fictionalists

    The latter know that snakes can't converse with people, that the earth goes round the sun and that you can't get the red sea to part on command. You can't walk on water, you can't bring long dead people back to life, virgins cannot be impregnated by angels.


    Amazing when you list just a small sample of the bible's fictions how utterly deranged you have to be to take them as fact
     
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    How deranged would one be for caring what other people choose to believe?
     
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    If the beliefs of some "deranged" people affect their interactions with the general public. . .or lead them to actions that are destructive in some way to the general public, obviously we should care!

    One simple example would be the Westboro Church. Another example would be the behavior of jehadists who belief that it is their mission to kill the "infidels."

    But you probably would agree that we should care about the "beliefs" of Islamic extremists. . .while you probably believe (based on your "deranged" comment) that it is "deranged" to care about the beliefs of "Christians?"
     
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    Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Indeed

    I do care what religious people think because what they think leads to lots of death, destruction and discrimination

    And open mind, thanks for the voice of reason, again

    BTW jihad was invented by Christians crusading to the middle east to kill Muslims for thinking differently
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    "dont know much about his tor y"...
     
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    Do you contest that crusades were a form of "Christian Jihad?" and that they came prior to "Islamic Jihad?"

    Basically the crusades were "the Christian Jihad."

    Although some forms of "Jihad" are much less violent than any of the crusades, and some of today's "play crusades" sponsored by Churches as a revival of Christian faith are obviously less violent than what we consider as the (too narrow) definition of today's "Jihad."
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    if jihad were intended to liberate Mecca then perhaps it makes sense.
    but its not so it does not.
     
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    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    People never lived to be 800 years old.
    Goliath may have been pretty big, but he wasn't over 9 feet tall.
    There never was a flood that covered the whole Earth.
    The human race did not spring from two individuals.
    God doesn't really want us to stone people for wearing cloth of two fibers, planting two kinds of crops in the same field, or being born homosexual.
    The virgin birth really only means that Jesus was Mary's first born.

    The Bible is full of allegories, myths, mistranslations, stories, and tall tales, just as modern books are full of the same.

    The Bible also has some pretty good advice about how we should to treat each other, and how we should live our lives.

    That doesn't mean that there is no god. Sorry, Dawkins, but you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god by quoting the Bible.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    cant proove/disproove period

    im not so sure you want to assume the above to be true/not true.

    pretty sure they didnt measure in feet back in goliath's day and the earth was a lot wetter way back when. just sayin
     
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    WRONG again kid! You have a knack of being wrong virtually 100% of the time. That's very impressive! The First Crusade is dated from 1095. Mulims began invading other countries, forcing peoples to convert to Islam, and subjegating peoples more than 400 years earlier!!!
     
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    The Crusades STATED intent were to open the holly grounds to Christians again, however, this was NOT the only intent and certainly not the primary consequence of the crusade.


    "The term "crusade" is also used to describe religiously motivated campaigns conducted between 1100 and 1600 in territories outside the Levant[a] usually against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons. Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers led also to alliances between religious factions against their opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Islamic Sultanate of Rûm during the Fifth Crusade.
    The Crusades had major political, economic, and social impact on western Europe. It resulted in a substantial weakening of the Christian Byzantine Empire, which fell several centuries later to the Muslim Turks. The Reconquista, a long period of wars in Spain and Portugal (Iberia), where Christian forces reconquered the peninsula from Muslims, is closely tied to the Crusades."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    so you admit your fault
     
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