Did Obama really have gay sex and smoked crack in a Limo?

[top gun]

No, I meant the democrats need equally credible alibis to things like passed polygraph tests.

I'm not putting the stamp of approval on the Sinclair plan. I'm just saying that being prepared is the best strategy. They have four witnesses. Three of them are dead, murdered just before or after they allegedly planned to spill the beans about Obama allegedly being gay; and one of them has a youtube video, very candid I might add, and a passed polygraph test.

Circumstantial evidence can be compelling if "arranged" in the right way. Look for that to happen on TV sometime after Denver. The GOP ain't f-ing around this time. Come to think of it, they never f around, they always play hardball to win.

We get it Sihouette!!!

You hate Obama because he beat Hillary and you'll say or do anything, promote any lie to smear a Good, Christian, Family Man with a wife and two beautiful little girls.

Please take off the tin foil hat now... the aliens can't really read your mind and cancel the trip to Loch Ness... Nessy is not home today!

I just cannot wait until after Denver... simply CANNOT wait!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

They do it in Canada just fine and the people up there love it. Have many friends there. They won't even come down here to visit us without getting a stop gap policy just in case something happens down here and they get hurt or fall ill.

As far a government programs... Post Office does a fine job!

also government run energy companies do a good job as well

and I am in favor of more a single player system rather then then running it all. its gives all coverage but leaves a market to battle for the services of the people and the government.

 

[top gun]

also government run energy companies do a good job as well

and I am in favor of more a single player system rather then then running it all. its gives all coverage but leaves a market to battle for the services of the people and the government.

Yes... I think the main thing is that the government must take some overall action.

Much like when AT&T or any other monopoly has to be broken up our Healthcare System gives us really only two options.

A) Pay and exorbitant amount then add on a myriad or co-pays and deductibles then hope nothing that they find can be called "pre-existing" or the treatment you need can be called "experimental".

OR

B) Carry no coverage. Let the hospital (that's really you & me through our health insurance rates) pick up the entire tab at the MOST expensive place "late term treatment in the Emergency Room"... or of course just do nothing at all and just die.

Right now health insurance in America is a big racket. There is no real alternatives. For the most part doctors rates & hospital cost are for lack of a better word "fixed". And health Insurance companies really only want to insure the healthy.

It's not like getting your car fixed where you can shop around for another qualified mechanic that's a lot less expensive or maybe do it yourself.

Corporations are a good thing until they get to that strangle hold on any given market size. Then just like Big Oil has done they know the little guy has no place else to go and they jack up their profits to help themselves & their stock holders alone.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

at least I am glad some real debate about a real issue came from this lame lame thread.

 

[GenSeneca]

It's not like getting your car fixed where you can shop around for another qualified mechanic that's a lot less expensive or maybe do it yourself.

Mechanics don't have Ambulance chasers suing them, and their business, out of business on a regular basis. Mechanics also don't go through 12 extra years of school, and an internship, only to have their entire career ruined because they made a mistake once they actually became a Mechanic.

Do you not see any correlation between the exorbitant costs of everything related to healthcare and the exorbitant settlements handed over to Trial Lawyers like John Edwards? That money has to come from somewhere, if the business is to stay in operation, whether its a hospital or an insurance agency, the cost of court settlements are passed onto the consumers.

And I love when people talk about "Monopolies" yet don't see Government as the biggest Monopoly there is, and "Pro-actively*" support increasing the size of that particular monopoly. Government is big enough, lets trim the fat and get back some lost liberties in the process. Screw Big Government, its a necessary evil thats become a monster - and people want to keep feeding it.

[Pro-Active* A combination of Progressive and Active; Advocating Progressive Socialism.]

 

[Sihouette]

Hmmmm...

Interesting. You guys did this with the Oil thread and now the Obama one.

Subject changes by GOP guys...what is it about Oil and Obama being gay that are uncomfortable for the GOP? Obama not getting the nomination and being able to be easily defeated come Fall/Sinclair means BigOil cannot keep its monopoly..

Oh, I get it. Now I understand the diversions from these two subjects...

*****

Meanwhile "Top Gun" (a GOP strategist who feigns support for Obama) says:

We get it Sihouette!!!

You hate Obama because he beat Hillary and you'll say or do anything, promote any lie to smear a Good, Christian, Family Man with a wife and two beautiful little girls.

Funny, your conservative comrads aren't saying the same thing under different lighting..

I'm not 'saying or doing anything'.. Remember how this thread started out with me thinking the subject was absurd. But as I pulled my head out of the sand little by little and more than smearing Obama, who I don't like for other reasons, you're right, I'm concerned for the democratic party if they nominate him. I am like the poster child for the rest of voters who at first will think it's absurd but when the compelling details are waved in front of their noses will begin to wake up and smell the conclusions..

Imagine seeing the Sinclair youtube broadcast at primetime with heartland and swing-state voters with their jaws on the floor.. It's going to happen. The conservative voice article is already setting the stage...not me...the conservative voice...

The Sinclair story isn't about defeating Obama, it's about defeating democrats.

I didn't make Sinclair's polygraph-passing youtube video where he calmly asserts Obama is gay and uses crack. I didn't belong to a church where three other gay guys who allegedly had relations with Obama suddenly got murdered at the end of last year (the beginning of Obama's campaign momentum). I didn't try to pass off a media-piece on "escalating Chicago violence clear back to January of this year" -just after the Donald Young murder at the end of December.

All these things are ammo that your group will use as soon as Obama is "safely" in place as your opponent.

***

You fear Hillary Clinton because the word "landslide" comes to everyone's lips when they think of her as our candidate. Isn't that weird? Everyone acknowledges that her running as Obama's VP would mean certain defeat for McCain. Imagine what her running for president would mean? Landslide baby..

Can you spell L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E?

And that's why the Sinclair story is held back, but still 'in play'.

And it's not me who's doing that. Nice try. The GOP always throws the dirt and then puts that blame on someone else.

You people must make holy water burn when you walk in a church.....assuming you've ever walked in a church...

 

[top gun]

GenSeneca;53710]Mechanics don't have Ambulance chasers suing them, and their business, out of business on a regular basis. Mechanics also don't go through 12 extra years of school, and an internship, only to have their entire career ruined because they made a mistake once they actually became a Mechanic.

Do you not see any correlation between the exorbitant costs of everything related to healthcare and the exorbitant settlements handed over to Trial Lawyers like John Edwards? That money has to come from somewhere, if the business is to stay in operation, whether its a hospital or an insurance agency, the cost of court settlements are passed onto the consumers.

Everyone talks a good fight when it's somebody else having to file a law suit. They cry how can they ask for that much money? Shield the malpractice, shield the malpractice.

But when it happens to THEIR mother or THEIR child they think THEY deserve to be compensated for a litigated medical mistake... of course they do. THEIR case is real, relevant and important it's all the other ones that are frivolous.

These cases go to court and a legally litigated by a jury. That's the American way. If you don't think your family is worth it then when harm comes to them let it go.

But don't be blubbering to me about some kid with PREVENTABLE brain damage or committed to a wheel chair for their whole entire life not needing a place to have their case heard and money for the rest of their life.

That dog won't hunt with me my friend... and it shouldn't with any other rational, fair minded person either.

And I love when people talk about "Monopolies" yet don't see Government as the biggest Monopoly there is, and "Pro-actively*" support increasing the size of that particular monopoly. Government is big enough, lets trim the fat and get back some lost liberties in the process. Screw Big Government, its a necessary evil thats become a monster - and people want to keep feeding it.

That's just ridiculous BS and you know it.

If there wasn't a government to intervene at times Big Money would completely wipe out the middle class. You'd either be born rich and stay rich or you'd be slumming it.

Perfect example was the creation of the Teamsters Union. The Produce Companies had such a lock on everything that to get work truckers had to work 7 days a week with terrible pay and drive horribly unsafe equipment.

The money was always there for a fair deal for the working man but the Produce Monopoly didn't have to be fair... so they weren't. THEY indisputably ABUSED THEIR POWER!

And that today would be created and abused ten thousand fold without some government regulation and intervention.


_______________________________________________
Even a broken watch is right twice a day... but Conservatives sure ain't no watch.

 

[top gun]

Sihouette;53807]
Meanwhile "Top Gun" (a GOP strategist who feigns support for Obama) says:

Funny, your conservative comrads aren't saying the same thing under different lighting..

I'm not 'saying or doing anything'..

Well you're making a fool out of yourself... that's something.

I think that your saying I'm not an Obama Supporter is right in line with all of your other posts and overall thought process... demented!

I don't think there's any doubt where I stand in this election. To me it's 100% BARACK & ROLL TIME!!! In fact my YES WE CAN T-Shirt and second order of 100 OBAMA bumper stickers should be in the mail as we speak.

I'm sorry you & Limbaugh & Hannity & Beck & O'Reilly & Savage are all taking the loss of Hillary so hard.

You fear Hillary Clinton because the word "landslide" comes to everyone's lips when they think of her as our candidate. Isn't that weird? Everyone acknowledges that her running as Obama's VP would mean certain defeat for McCain. Imagine what her running for president would mean? Landslide baby..

Can you spell L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E?

I can spell S-O-R-E L-O-S-E-R

It's spelled S-i-h-o-u-e-t-t-e

And there's no fear of something that's not even in competition any more. We're all family!

But unfortunately your type has blown any chance Hillary could ever be VP. Political Parties in big races don't have time for Psycho talk and impotent treats when you don't get your way. That's what little children do... not adults.

Like I said I hope you keep it up!!! It will be soooo nice talking about you after Denver when there's no denying every single thing you've ever said has been pure horse hockey.

 

[Pandora]

National Press Club, Larry Sinclair, News Conference, Wednesday, June 18, 2008, NPC



Very detailed accounts of what Mr. Sinclair says happened between them. He names the Second witness (limo driver)

Sorry but I did not know how to make it a youtube link so here is the link in a regluar url.



Part 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNEip42xsM&feature=related

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2hc05HwPw&NR=1

Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ13qyFup98&feature=related

Part 4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeDGWSV648&feature=related

Part 5 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VYin6nMAz-o&feature=related

Part 6 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x8J0eJGR-Kw&feature=related

 

[UShadItComing]

Well I watched your video Abomination and now I'm convinced. Obama did smoke Crak with Mr. Sinclair and he did get blown by Sinclair. When Obama takes the lie detector test he is finished but he won't take one.

What convinced me mostly was after Larry told us about all the bad things he did, he said he was still an American. And all Americans deserve to be heard.

If I could vote for John McCain I would because I could never vote for Obama now that I know that Larry blew him.

 

[Sihouette]

Canadians can be sooooo cheeky...

No, you wouldn't vote for him because you are one of millions of his potential voters who would turn away in horror that the "family" man they thought they once knew turned out to be a "monster" who (allegedly) seduces gay men behind his wife's back and smokes crack to enhance sex he has with them.

Actually, I know this sex-addict guy who does the exact same thing. He professes to be hetero but will have sex with anyone, male or female, and uses cocaine while he is having sex to enhance his climax. Apparently this is one of the trickier parts of breaking that co-addiction is getting both the sex-addiction and the cocaine use under control. Once one is lured in by just one of them, the two-headed dragon is right back on their back..

I don't know if this is just a coincidence but this guy also suffers from narcissism and is an adept and charming smooth talker?

It's sad, the guy is dying and his soul is crumbling out from underneath him. He keeps getting skinnier and I'm pretty sure with all those anonymous and bi promiscuous partners that he is HIV positive. In fact a gal told me he almost for sure was. How did she know? Well, you're supposed to respect the privacy on that one but if they're out there knowingly infecting people just to continue "getting off" in their preferred way, they're guilty of second-degree murder..

If this malady is plaguing Obama, we are in for trouble...

If this malady can be made by the GOP to seem to plague Obama, democrats will lose handily this Fall. Top Gun has his/her head in the clouds or is on some other mission. Either way, Top Gun's mission is not to elect a democrat to the Whitehouse.

 

[top gun]

If this malady is plaguing Obama, we are in for trouble...

If this malady can be made by the GOP to seem to plague Obama, democrats will lose handily this Fall. Top Gun has his/her head in the clouds or is on some other mission. Either way, Top Gun's mission is not to elect a democrat to the Whitehouse.

You must mean that OBAMA "malady" of winning... LoL!

And... top gun would be a "he".

And since Senator Obama without any single doubt in the world is going to be the Democrat trying to stop old John McBush from continuing down this Republican road of distruction...

Who else exactly should I be supporting... I mean supporting someone that isn't running doesn't seem the rational or productive way to go.


Let's try and pull together here. Hey check out this clip. Maybe it's just a father thing but it took me back to when my daughter was little. We'd all do about anything for our kids... I know I would.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrDPsNK9-hM

 

[Pandora]

Who else exactly should I be supporting... I mean supporting someone that isn't running doesn't seem the rational or productive way to go

You should be supporting Obama. You really seem to admire the man. I think you should sign up to work for his campaign. Out of all of the people in this forum you are the one who has found things that you truly like about him. Others who are voting for him tend to tell you what is so bad about McCain or Bush or the Republican Party rather than what is so great about Obama. You actually do write things you find very good about Obama.

I don’t agree with the stuff, but I admire you do stick to the high road of telling the good things about him rather than the bad things about every one else.

I include myself in those who tell you the bad stuff about one guy rather than the good stuff about another. I am guilty as anyone, maybe more guilty than most

 

[Sihouette]

Actually if Top Gun is a real, authentic Obama supporter and not one of those GOP "let's make him look credible until after Denver- Sinclair operatives" then what s/he should be doing is really researching the Sinclair issue to make sure s/he has the beloved Obama with all his bases covered.

To every "baseless" allegation s/he should have a viable and believable answer. And most definitely the caustic strategy is OUT. In other words if someone wants answers to why Sinclair has polygraph results or phone records that back his story, the retort should not be "you're just crazy if you believe that." or some such..

There should be alibis, witnesses and detailed, believable explanations for why thinking people should ignore compelling evidence and body counts.

That's all I'm saying. Be prepared democrats. If you think energy policies are tough to sell to the public, you won't believe how difficult fending the Sinclair story will be. Plus your candidate seems overly sensitive to criticism.

It'll be interesting to see how he plays the race card with Sinclair? It seems to work for him in every other conceivable circumstance...why not Sinclair?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

You should be supporting Obama. You really seem to admire the man. I think you should sign up to work for his campaign. Out of all of the people in this forum you are the one who has found things that you truly like about him. Others who are voting for him tend to tell you what is so bad about McCain or Bush or the Republican Party rather than what is so great about Obama. You actually do write things you find very good about Obama.

I don’t agree with the stuff, but I admire you do stick to the high road of telling the good things about him rather than the bad things about every one else.

I include myself in those who tell you the bad stuff about one guy rather than the good stuff about another. I am guilty as anyone, maybe more guilty than most

I do in fact like him, I had issues with him of course, but nothing horrible. I would have liked someone else , but thats how it goes when you have as many running as we did for both parties...you end up with 2. I just happen oo also like McCain ...though less and less as of late....and I kept my options open. Had just about any other Rep won it would have been no contest I was for Obama. and I have said many positive things about him and deffended him as well.....just as I have for McCain .