10.2% is > 17% unemployment in Obama Math

asur

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It's worse than the White House is letting on!

Remember how they bragged about Cash for Clunkers until we reported that it cost taxpayers > 24K per clunker and that it hurts the environment to boot? Notice how they stopped braggin?

Extending unemployment benes is not the real answer now!
Remember when Obama guaranteed that stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, a couple month ago.
Yeah, right!

Creating jobs would be a start, but Obama doesn't want this and he can't be bothered.

Take into account all those underemployed and those that have stopped looking, the real rate is > 17% easy under Obama!

When Obama says 10.2 just convert it to 17+(minimum)

It's called CHANGE!
 
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Now, now... that's not true--the current administration IS going to care when all the tax receipts and revenues tally up to being down by a very significant percentage this year and going forward because they won't be able to award their base. You know... registered voters (dead or alive)? THAT (catastrophic tax deficiency), by the way, WILL be one helluva' game-changer for the US and many other countries right now--how the hell do you vote more wealth distribution when the entire world's wealth is declining? People keep thinking in terms of "money" when "energy" is what wealth is really all about.
 
-the current administration IS going to care when all the tax receipts and revenues tally up to being down by a very significant percentage

I would AGREE, but they are spending like drunken sailors and yet they
should be doing the opposite. It makes no sense.
 
It does if you consider the standard results from times past. Historically, a sovereign going into debt wasn't necessarily a bad thing as long as resources and production could be ramped up to pay the piper later. It's only now that we've reached a kind of plateau that makes paying off the debt a virtual impossibility.

For Pocket: CONgress failed us a long time ago in not installing "or else" language in much of the legislation that was written seemingly for "regulation" purposes. The Fed has continued to do things all along that it should not have done through the last several administrations. NO presidential administration and CONgressional session since the '60s has actually done anything appreciable to prevent the creation of The Bubble From Hell that's recently been popping.

ALL actual current efforts are attempting to reinflate the bubble for several reasons, but attempting not to piss off the voter base is pretty high on the list. Another biggie is trying to keep a major asset devaluation from occurring, too, because a significant devaluation across the board makes finance get a lot worse. THE FACT THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING should, to a thinking person, indicate that the problem is far larger than the American choice of president.

Many folks here drastically limit their ability to grasp what's really going on in the world by adhering to the idea that a president can make any significant difference to The Poor. Washington will NOT protect you from Wall Street--they're only there apparently to make it seem that way while they're really trying to do the opposite. For the life of me, I can't understand why most of you people would rather snipe at each other than actually learn something on here.
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I would AGREE, but they are spending like drunken sailors and yet they
should be doing the opposite. It makes no sense.

ASUR!!! Obama's Actions , his policies , his programs DO MAKE PERFECT SENSE to those who want to DESTROY AMERICA , Destroy our FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. Destroy our ECONOMY and invoke CHAOS across America.When one looks at what he is doing from this aspect it becomes pefectly clear as to what is going on. MY God , What have we done???
 
The Bush years -- then and now

Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:10 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: White House, Economy

From NBC's Mark Murray
With President Bush set to leave the White House less than two weeks from now, here's a "Then and Now" to show what the United States looked like when Bush was entering office and what it looks like now as he's leaving. The "Then" is the best-available figure as Bush was taking office in 2001. The "Now" is the most recent figure.
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
Then: 4.2% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, January 2001)
Now: 6.7% (Bureau of Labor Statistics, November 2008)
DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE
Then: 10,587 (close of Friday, Jan. 19, 2001)
Now: 9,015 (close of Tuesday, Jan. 6, 2009)
BUSH FAVORABILITY RATING
Then: 50% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 31% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)
CHENEY FAVORABILITY RATING
Then: 49% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 21% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)
CONGRESS APPROVAL RATING
Then: 48% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 21% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)
SATISFIED WITH THE NATION'S DIRECTION
Then: 45% (1/01 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 26% (12/08 NBC/WSJ poll)
CONSUMER CONFIDENCE (1985=100)
Then: 115.7 (Conference Board, January 2001)
Now: 38.0, which is an all-time low (Conference Board, December 2008)
FAMILIES LIVING IN POVERTY
Then: 6.4 million (Census numbers for 2000)
Now: 7.6 million (Census numbers for 2007 -- most recent numbers available)
AMERICANS WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE
Then: 39.8 million (Census numbers for 2000)
Now: 45.7 million (Census numbers for 2007 -- most recent available)

U.S. BUDGET
Then: +236.2 billion (2000, Congressional Budget Office)
Now: -$1.2 trillion (projected figure for 2009, Congressional Budget Office)


And there was this article:

November 11, 2008
U.S. Unemployment Rates Under President Bush Continue to Climb

Posted by Kristina Cowan
U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have reached a 14-year high. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment climbed to 6.5 percent in October, as the country shed 240,000 jobs. U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have certainly increased--for example, the unemployment rate for October 2007 was 4.7 percent. So far this year, the country has lost 1.2 million jobs, and over half of the decrease took place in just the last three months. Some suggest the situation could grow more bleak: Goldman Sachs projects the unemployment rate will reach 8.5 percent by the end of 2009. Another source I spoke with recently believes it could soar as high as 10 percent in the near future.
With U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush rising, there's more talk of the nation being caught in a recession. In a New York Times story, Stuart G. Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group in Pittsburgh, notes, “The economy is slipping deeper into a recessionary sinkhole that is getting broader. The layoffs are getting larger, and coming faster. We’re likely to see at least another six months of more jobs reports like this.” In a Wall Street Journal roundup of economists' reactions to the unemployment report, Joshua Shapiro of MFR Inc. says, "History tells that once the labor market weakens as much as it has in the past several months, job-shedding takes on a life of its own and tends to persist for a long while. We expect the employment data to be dreadful for many months to come and consequently for consumer spending to continue to decline."
The job losses were far-reaching: manufacturing lost 90,000 jobs, construction shed 49,000, professional and business services saw a decline of 51,000, and retail trade employment lost 38,000. Health care, however, added 26,000 jobs.
As the unemployment rate in America increases and President Bush's tenure draws to a close, all eyes are on President-elect Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress set to take the reins in Washington in January. Will the new leadership provide relief?

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But as with all things 'FACTUAL'...the person in front of the computer monitor has to be in full control of all of their brain matter and be able to READ & COMPREHEND the written word...not the case with the author and his ILK!!! ;)
 
It's only now that we've reached a kind of plateau that makes paying off the debt a virtual impossibility.

I agree possibly, but I would expect a president to cut something, maybe Defense, maybe Welfare or something to try and make it appear he is concerned about the debt. Obama is doing the opposite!

He is increasing taxes by allowing the Bush Tax cuts expire and implementing various new taxes to potentially increase revenue, but it's not nearly enough and it will backfire causing revenues to decrease!

It's common sense that if you make it harder on business(taxes), they hire less workers, etc. Unemployment is at least 17.5% right now and getting worse!
 
ASUR!!! Obama's Actions , his policies , his programs DO MAKE PERFECT SENSE to those who want to DESTROY AMERICA , Destroy our FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. Destroy our ECONOMY and invoke CHAOS across America.When one looks at what he is doing from this aspect it becomes pefectly clear as to what is going on. MY God , What have we done???
 
Increasing taxes on the working ain't smart, but what do you expect from Obama?

Extending unemployment benefits is a sure sign of Obama policy failure
 
One of the aspects of the current plan is to bring wages down to be more in line with other countries. You simply cannot compete in global markets if you have an extreme differential in payscales. By semi-crashing the system in a planned slide, they will eventually achieve that goal. Given the folks in high places like Alan Greenspan that have openly talked about this over the years, it's probably inevitable and you're going to get the same behavior regardless of who you vote into office, I'm afraid.
 
One of the aspects of the current plan is to bring wages down to be more in line with other countries. You simply cannot compete in global markets if you have an extreme differential in payscales. By semi-crashing the system in a planned slide, they will eventually achieve that goal. Given the folks in high places like Alan Greenspan that have openly talked about this over the years, it's probably inevitable and you're going to get the same behavior regardless of who you vote into office, I'm afraid.

WAges were going to come down one way or another. I prefer that market forces would have been the primary factor. At least that way productivity would have been rewarded more than unproductivity.
 
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One of the aspects of the current plan is to bring wages down to be more in line with other countries.

Who's plan?

Actually Congress raised the minimum wage which has contributed to job losses
but probably higher wages in certain sectors.

Nobody mentions it in the Liberal news, but jobs started disappearing after the minimum
wage was raised the last time.

But to get back on track, Obama has killed jobs just out of fear I believe.
Fear of the future implementation of his policies.
 
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