Okay, saggyjones, now I'm responding to the post beneath your reply to krazykapt, as you asked.
So ...I'll just repeat each one using " " and then bolds to avoid the more cumbersome coding.
Yeah, it's much easier this way.
Lilly Marlene said:
"The government gets more money from their taxes."
It has been estimated according to the expertise of both economists and social workers that citizens in the income range most immigrants would achieve - once naturalized - tend to use more dollars in social services than what they contribute with their income, property and sales taxes combined.
These are generally in the form of public education, income support like food stamps and Medicaid, and law enforcement/prison expenses.
Please see the website FAIR.org for a full treatment of that topic.
The only assessment differing with that was made by state employee Carol Strayhorn in Texas, last December, and has been dismantled since that time, because she failed to inject expenses for the County into her equation as a factor.
First of all, can you link to the article? I looked at the FAIR.org archives and there are lots having to do with immigration.
Immigrants go to school and use our tax money for education regardless of status, so that one's out.
About food stamps, this quote explains it:
...'immigrants' need not worry about their 'status' and are encouraged to apply. States are barred (by the federal Privacy Act) from denying an applicant any benefits if the applicant refuses to provide a social security number.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2...p://www.alipac.us/article1618.html&frame=true
Hospitals have to accept someone regardless of status. But you're right, Medicaid is something they would be eligible for. I really don't find it possible that they will start taking out more than they will put in with taxes, because they were already using too many government funded programs before they were made legal. (That was a hard tense to write in, so I messed up a bit, but bear with me).
Lilly Marlene said:
" We don't spend money looking for illegals and deporting them."
According to your model, we would start doing that immediately following the amnesty, so I fail to follow the reasoning there.
I really don't know how to make it more clear, but I'll try. If we make illegal immigrants here now legal, we won't have to spend money deporting them since they'll be legal.
Of course we will spend more money patrolling the border, because we don't want more immigrants entering.
Lilly Marlene said:
"They would have a much better life."
The job which America's elected officials are hired to do is to take care of Americans first, just as the parent of children is obligated to take care of his or her children before taking care of the neighbor's children.
The presence in this country of 12 to 20 million more low-skilled workers creates stress and depresses wages for low skilled Americans and will continue to do so even after amnesty because of the numbers. That is not an acceptable way to take care of America first.
These 12-20 million low-skilled workers are already here! Making them legal will force companies to pay them minimum wage, which they aren't paying now. That means it would give Americans a chance to compete with them and wages would go up. Just think about it.
Lilly Marlene said:
"They won't strain the health care system anymore because they will be taxed and can get health insurance."
LOL, Yeah ... once you start getting taxed on your low skilled job you can easily afford health insurance, right? I guess tens of thousands of US citizens just don't want any health insurance then.
No, you can't easily afford health insurance on a low-skilled job. But it gives them the ability because they're legal. Also, some companies provide health insurance.
Lilly Marlene said:
" They will be paid the same as Americans and wouldn't be taking jobs away from them."
It's quite clear that they would be competing for the exact same jobs as many rural and/or mimimally-educated Americans who did NOT enter illegally.
Please recall for example that after the Swift Plant raids in December, lines of Americans citizens were queuing out onto the streets ...US citizens hoping to get those jobs.
Do you not understand that the illegal immigrants are taking American jobs because they don't get paid minimum wage, because they're illegal? If we make them legal Americans can get the jobs because they will be competing for the same wage.
Lilly Marlene said:
"After legalizing them, the president would explain why it was happening and state that any more illegals would be promptly deported. But the ones here now are already rooted into our economy."
That puppet would explain nothing to them.
Please acquaint yourself with his groveling exchanges last week among our southern neighbors.
I never mentioned George Bush. Do you think he would actually support legalizing all immigrants here now? I was thinking of a future president.
Lilly Marlene said:
Illegal immigrants are 'rooted into our economy' for the sole reason that this administration has allowed it as payback to their corporate buddies for contributions and as part of the globalist plan to weaken our national sovereignty.
Actually they are rooted into the economy because they sneak across the border and work for less than minimum wage.