Question for democrats dare you to tell the truth

[mark francis]

So? Trump sabotaged the bill.

The border bill had everything the democrats wanted, such as more cages to hold more illegals, more money to hire more leftists in the business of attending to increasing numbers of illegals, more money to hire more judges and lawyers to hear more cases of increasing numbers of illegals who will never e deported even if that is what a judge rules after years of litigation, and so forth. Democrats lie when they claim it was bipartisan because they know only a handful of democrats opposed the bill and even fewer republicans supported the bill.

 

[mark francis]

Estimates made by right-wing liars. There were about 11 million total, and that includes the ones who were here when Trump first took office. The fact here is that Trump created the problem, and then Trump sabotaged a solution so he could use it in his campaign. But since he promised you unchecked racism, you believed his lies.

Sure, demo gang member. Trump is the cause millions of illegals are in the country now getting government money and receiving democrat help to battle ICE enforcement in the streets.

 

[mad1961]

Your simplistic corrupted summary of US history lacks details such as the fact that only a small portion of the US population ever owned slaves and those slave owners were resisted by a large number of white Christian abolitionists.

My summary is 100 percent accurate. Not only did people buy slaves, they rented slaves. Not only did they rent slaves, but:

American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves​

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds.

https://norbertobarreto.blog/2014/ 03/14/american-finance-grew-on-the-back-of-slaves/

So just stop repeating these dumb, tired white supremacist excuses and lies. How about talking about the 100 years of Jim Crow after slvery, where the laws were made for EVERY white person?

 

[mad1961]

The border bill had everything the democrats wanted, such as more cages to hold more illegals, more money to hire more leftists in the business of attending to increasing numbers of illegals, more money to hire more judges and lawyers to hear more cases of increasing numbers of illegals who will never e deported even if that is what a judge rules after years of litigation, and so forth. Democrats lie when they claim it was bipartisan because they know only a handful of democrats opposed the bill and even fewer republicans supported the bill.

Stop lying.

 

[mad1961]

Sure, demo gang member. Trump is the cause millions of illegals are in the country now getting government money and receiving democrat help to battle ICE enforcement in the streets.

Illegals contribute about 100 billion in taxes to this country.

July 30, 2024

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year​

Immigration policies have taken center stage in public debates this year, but much of the conversation has been driven by emotion, not data. A new in-depth study from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy aims to help change that by quantifying how much undocumented immigrants pay in taxes – both nationally and in each state.

The study finds that undocumented immigrants contributed $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022 – a number that would rise dramatically if these taxpayers were granted work authorization.

Other key findings:

• For every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue. On the flip side, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who are deported, public services stand to lose $8.9 billion in tax revenue.
• Providing access to work authorization to all current undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions by $40.2 billion per year, to $136.9 billion.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants are toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs – like Social Security and Medicare – that these workers are barred from accessing.
• Similarly, income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens; as one example, they are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits like the Child Tax Credit or Earned Income Tax Credit.
• Six states – California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, and New Jersey – raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders.
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year

Contact: Jon Whiten (jon@itep.org) Immigration policies have taken center stage in public debates this year, but much of the conversation…

itep.org

They don't get anything back for it. Their tax money pays for you. ICE is committing unconstitutional acts, and it is the duty of every American to stop police or law enforcement from breaking the law.

Look man, you admit to not having much education. So how about you stop trying to argue with people who have more education than you when they show that your simple-minded mess is untrue?

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

In 1860, everyone in this country wanted to strike it rich. The two main ways of striking it rich were to find a gold or silver motherlode, or to buy some land that White folks like Andrew Jackson drove off the land and then to buy some slaves to clear the land and plant cotton. I think that in 1860, Mississippi had the highest per capita income in the country (for only White folks, of course),because the land had not become depleted.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens, aka Mark Twain, did not have the money to buy land or slaves, so he learned how to pilot a riverboat up and down the Mississippi. He joined a Confederate militia, sort of fought in one battle and decided to light out for the territories and spent the Civil War typesetting and writing for newspapers far from the fighting in Nevada and California boom towns.

No one is guilty for anything their ancestors did. The Bible seems to claim otherwise, but that is just ancient nonsense.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

Illegals contribute about 100 billion in taxes to this country.

July 30, 2024

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year​

Immigration policies have taken center stage in public debates this year, but much of the conversation has been driven by emotion, not data. A new in-depth study from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy aims to help change that by quantifying how much undocumented immigrants pay in taxes – both nationally and in each state.

The study finds that undocumented immigrants contributed $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022 – a number that would rise dramatically if these taxpayers were granted work authorization.

Other key findings:

• For every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue. On the flip side, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who are deported, public services stand to lose $8.9 billion in tax revenue.
• Providing access to work authorization to all current undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions by $40.2 billion per year, to $136.9 billion.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants are toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs – like Social Security and Medicare – that these workers are barred from accessing.
• Similarly, income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens; as one example, they are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits like the Child Tax Credit or Earned Income Tax Credit.
• Six states – California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, and New Jersey – raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders.
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year

Contact: Jon Whiten (jon@itep.org) Immigration policies have taken center stage in public debates this year, but much of the conversation…

itep.org

They don't get anything back for it. Their tax money pays for you. ICE is committing unconstitutional acts, and it is the duty of every American to stop police or law enforcement from breaking the law.

Look man, you admit to not having much education. So how about you stop trying to argue with people who have more education than you when they show that your simple-minded mess is untrue?

This seems to be excellent advice. I am wondering whether "annoying thing" has a clue about who W.E.B Dubois was.

 

[mark francis]

My summary is 100 percent accurate. Not only did people buy slaves, they rented slaves. Not only did they rent slaves, but:

American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves​

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds.

https://norbertobarreto.blog/2014/ 03/14/american-finance-grew-on-the-back-of-slaves/

So just stop repeating these dumb, tired white supremacist excuses and lies. How about talking about the 100 years of Jim Crow after slvery, where the laws were made for EVERY white person?

Southern democrats only thought they were being made rich off the backs of their slaves, but they did not know that their greed and depravity was robbing them of honor, respect, morality, other vital attributes and, most importantly, any close relationship with God they could have had if they had repented.

 

[mark francis]

Stop lying.

Don't defend ignorance of facts with irrelevant arguments.

 

[mark francis]

Illegals contribute about 100 billion in taxes to this country.

July 30, 2024

Study: Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year​

Since it is against the law for illegal immigrants to work in the US they are either getting donations from rich Americans, stealing to survive, or being given hefty monetary support from US welfare. At any rate, it does seem unlikely they are paying out Billions to the IRS while risking arrest and deportation for reporting their ill-gotten gains.

 

[mark francis]

In 1860, everyone in this country wanted to strike it rich. The two main ways of striking it rich were to find a gold or silver motherlode, or to buy some land that White folks like Andrew Jackson drove off the land and then to buy some slaves to clear the land and plant cotton. I think that in 1860, Mississippi had the highest per capita income in the country (for only White folks, of course),because the land had not become depleted.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens, aka Mark Twain, did not have the money to buy land or slaves, so he learned how to pilot a riverboat up and down the Mississippi. He joined a Confederate militia, sort of fought in one battle and decided to light out for the territories and spent the Civil War typesetting and writing for newspapers far from the fighting in Nevada and California boom towns.

No one is guilty for anything their ancestors did. The Bible seems to claim otherwise, but that is just ancient nonsense.

I agree. No modern white is responsible for anything that went on in the distant past, especially those tens of millions of whites who had no relatives in the US at that time.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

I agree. No modern white is responsible for anything that went on in the distant past, especially those tens of millions of whites who had no relatives in the US at that time.

Responsibility and guilt are, of course NOT the same thing.

No one should feel responsible for what his ancestor did, but all members of our society should favor equal treatment for all, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual attraction.

 

[mark francis]

Responsibility and guilt are, of course NOT the same thing.

No one should feel responsible for what his ancestor did, but all members of our society should favor equal treatment for all, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual attraction.

If all should support equal treatment, then why have American universities made student admissions dependent on race and not equality of admissions standards that do not involve skin color or ethnic background?

 

[mad1961]

In 1860, everyone in this country wanted to strike it rich. The two main ways of striking it rich were to find a gold or silver motherlode, or to buy some land that White folks like Andrew Jackson drove off the land and then to buy some slaves to clear the land and plant cotton. I think that in 1860, Mississippi had the highest per capita income in the country (for only White folks, of course),because the land had not become depleted.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens, aka Mark Twain, did not have the money to buy land or slaves, so he learned how to pilot a riverboat up and down the Mississippi. He joined a Confederate militia, sort of fought in one battle and decided to light out for the territories and spent the Civil War typesetting and writing for newspapers far from the fighting in Nevada and California boom towns.

No one is guilty for anything their ancestors did. The Bible seems to claim otherwise, but that is just ancient nonsense.

Then all wealth made from slavery the US has gained compound interest on should be taken since people still benefit financially from what their ancestors did. And this goes far beyond slavery.

 

[mad1961]

If all should support equal treatment, then why have American universities made student admissions dependent on race and not equality of admissions standards that do not involve skin color or ethnic background?

White is a race, and until 1965, most universities made white the ONLY racial qualification necessary to go to college.