Ron Paul was the trur leader of the Tea Party movement..

[Texas_tea]

So we should commit US resources for something that might, one day, be a threat to the US? Sorry, I can't go along with that. If they produce a nuke and threaten to use it on us, or threaten that they are creating one to use on us, then sure. Till then, we should stick to flooding their streets with western culture and winning over their youth with our pornography and illicit lyrics - At least then Leftists would be helping to prevent a war.

So nuking Israel would not threaten the US? Creating a world wide nuclear conflict is not threatening to the US?

And, how long should we wait to consider it a credible threat? After the murder of millions?

 

[GenSeneca]

So nuking Israel would not threaten the US? Creating a world wide nuclear conflict is not threatening to the US?

And, how long should we wait to consider it a credible threat? After the murder of millions?

Israel can handle it's own business. They don't need us to hold their hand and it's insulting to them that we think they do.

When Imanutcase goes out and publicly says they have and/or are building a nuke to deploy against the US, then we go.
As my Uncle Rush likes to say, "You sound like you're in a panic. Settle down, I'll let you know when it's time to panic."

Seriously, think this through... What does Iran gain by nuking Israel? What do they lose? Which is greater?

 

[Texas_tea]

Israel can handle it's own business. They don't need us to hold their hand and it's insulting to them that we think they do.

When Imanutcase goes out and publicly says they have and/or are building a nuke to deploy against the US, then we go.
As my Uncle Rush likes to say, "You sound like you're in a panic. Settle down, I'll let you know when it's time to panic."

Well I agree Israel can hold it's own. However, Obama has stated that he will send our jets to intercept their jets if they attempt a preemptive strike against Israel.

Seriously, think this through... What does Iran gain by nuking Israel? What do they lose? Which is greater?

Surely you're not attempting to apply logic to the muslums thinking?

 

[dogtowner]

Israel can handle it's own business. They don't need us to hold their hand and it's insulting to them that we think they do.

When Imanutcase goes out and publicly says they have and/or are building a nuke to deploy against the US, then we go.
As my Uncle Rush likes to say, "You sound like you're in a panic. Settle down, I'll let you know when it's time to panic."

Seriously, think this through... What does Iran gain by nuking Israel? What do they lose? Which is greater?

Gain ? The favor if their false god.
Lose ? Their skin given how much fallout will drift their way.
They seek the role Hussein had which eas to be feared by the region. That turns into money.
Will they bomb ? Unlikely but not impossible. How active will AlQ get there if they make a few ?

 

[GenSeneca]

Gain ? The favor if their false god.
Lose ? Their skin given how much fallout will drift their way.

So they gain nothing and lose everything... They may be crazy but they're not stupid.

They seek the role Hussein had which eas to be feared by the region. That turns into money.

I agree... and like Hussein, it's all bark and no bite.

Will they bomb ? Unlikely but not impossible. How active will AlQ get there if they make a few ?

I agree it's unlikely (highly) but not impossible. If AQ wanted nuclear material, they would be far, far, far more likely to acquire it from Pakistan where they already have a strong foothold within the government.

 

[GenSeneca]

However, Obama has stated that he will send our jets to intercept their jets if they attempt a preemptive strike against Israel.

Because he knows they won't... It's political posturing on the part of the CIC and Iran. Regardless, that fact has no bearing on whether or not it's a legitimate function of the US government to protect citizens of other countries. I say it's not, our government exists to protect Americans, the Israeli's gov exists to protect them.

 

[Texas_tea]

Because he knows they won't... It's political posturing on the part of the CIC and Iran. Regardless, that fact has no bearing on whether or not it's a legitimate function of the US government to protect citizens of other countries. I say it's not, our government exists to protect Americans, the Israeli's gov exists to protect them.

I agree .... but, is trying to prevent a global nuclear conflict not protecting American citizens as well?

Not that this regime is exactly interested in protecting American citizens .....

 

[dogtowner]

Because he knows they won't... It's political posturing on the part of the CIC and Iran. Regardless, that fact has no bearing on whether or not it's a legitimate function of the US government to protect citizens of other countries. I say it's not, our government exists to protect Americans, the Israeli's gov exists to protect them.

do we have a treaty with them ? if we do then we're obligated.

 

[GenSeneca]

do we have a treaty with them ? if we do then we're obligated.

Indefinitely? There are a great many "obligations" that I was signed up for long before I was even born, things I'm now forced to do even though I never had a say in them. If we can recognize that such things are unjust, then we should resolve to update those "obligations" so that Americans are no longer slaves to this or any government.

 

[GenSeneca]

I agree .... but, is trying to prevent a global nuclear conflict not protecting American citizens as well?

Careful... Leftists try to use things like global poverty or global warming as an excuse to force the American people into all kinds of nonsense under the guise of it being, in some round about way, in the best interests of the American people. The idea that we can prevent a global conflict by preemptively engaging in this or that regional conflict is specious at best. I still maintain that the best way to prevent wars is through trade among nations, not by force of arms.

 

[Texas_tea]

Careful... Leftists try to use things like global poverty or global warming as an excuse to force the American people into all kinds of nonsense under the guise of it being, in some round about way, in the best interests of the American people. The idea that we can prevent a global conflict by preemptively engaging in this or that regional conflict is specious at best. I still maintain that the best way to prevent wars is through trade among nations, not by force of arms.

There is no question that trying to prevent war through trade is the best avenue .... but, that sounds like a bunch of passivise Ron Paul shit ..

What if reality is something different?

Genocide on a nuclear level is certainly another story ..,

And by the way Gen ... you have been gone far to long .... your intellect and conversation has been missed ...

 

[GenSeneca]

There is no question that trying to prevent war through trade is the best avenue .... but, that sounds like a bunch of passivise Ron Paul shit ..

Probably because you've been conditioned to think anything short of military action would be viewed as weakness. There's nothing passive about something like smuggling US goods into Iran to be sold on the black market, that's some Al Capone type shit!

What if reality is something different?

I will concede to you on this point: IF the Borg do invade earth, resistance is futile... Or so I've heard. The reality right now is that trade is our best option. If that reality changes, then we adapt to meet the situation. I just think Americans have become too trigger happy when it comes to using military force (or government force of any kind).

And by the way Gen ... you have been gone far to long .... your intellect and conversation has been missed ...

Thanks Tex... I got a new job as a manager and learning everything I needed to know took some serious time and effort on my part. The HOP is just one of the things I had to forgo in order to become proficient in my new line of work... Smoking crack was the other thing I had to give up... Just kidding... I didn't stop.

 

[dogtowner]

Indefinitely? There are a great many "obligations" that I was signed up for long before I was even born, things I'm now forced to do even though I never had a say in them. If we can recognize that such things are unjust, then we should resolve to update those "obligations" so that Americans are no longer slaves to this or any government.

Treaties can always be sunsetted. You have to have political support of course. The keft would love to punt Israel. That alone will make ut a hard sell.

 

[dogtowner]

So they gain nothing and lose everything... They may be crazy but they're not stupid.

I agree... and like Hussein, it's all bark and no bite.

I agree it's unlikely (highly) but not impossible. If AQ wanted nuclear material, they would be far, far, far more likely to acquire it from Pakistan where they already have a strong foothold within the government.

All it takes us one crazy technition. Kuwait may not concur with the no bite part of that. Pakistan hasnt the reach to get at Israel and if nukes were portable they would already have been used on the jewish state. There us a reason Iran is taking the trouble to make their own.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

If nukes were portable they would already have been used on Israel???

More science from dog (btw dog have your fingers become too fat to type thee days?)

Israel is a vicious war mongering state that is always threatening its neighbours and lobbying the US to attack

Look how it treats Palestinians after it stole their land.

And then goes on about how its people have been treated the hypocritical war mongering religious lunatics