Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..

[pocketfullofshells]

And they are correct just as one can say that slave owners are not Christians. The Bible says to study the Word based on "line upon line, precept upon precept". So, while there are passages in the NT that seem to support the slavery of the KKK, or the South, if one stuides the Word they soo run across scripture like this:

James 5: 1-6

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter." You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you."

There are many other examples of how certain people have perverted the Words of Jesus to suit their own greed, or desires. So yes, there was a cause for slavery in the days of Jesus, including voluntary servitude, however, slaves were not to be treated as "chattel" as was done in the US.

its cute how you have just made almost every christian for thousands of years just not christian ...because you don't agree with them....they will do the same in a 100 years when they talk about gay marriage, your no christian anymore as well...

 

[Old_Trapper70]

its cute how you have just made almost every christian for thousands of years just not christian ...because you don't agree with them....they will do the same in a 100 years when they talk about gay marriage, your no christian anymore as well...

What is interesting is that you cannot accept the error of the idea of slavery under the teachings of Christ as interpreted by those who wanted slavery.

Even Christ said that "many are called, but few are chosen". Apostate teachings have been around since the death of Christ, and that is why a method of studying scripture was put in place by God, not by man.

 

[samsara15]

When you make unqualified statements on a subject without citing references it doesn't help your argument. If you want to persuade anybody to your way of thinking or that your opinion is correct the burden of proof falls on you, not the reader.

Does anyone ever persuade anyone else of anything? I have rarely, if ever, seen it done. IMO, all we can do here is air our own opinions, sometimes with a source, but all sources are or may be questionable to someone. Does anyone think there is such a thing as a 'correct' opinion? I certainly don't think so. 'Correct' lies in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

When you make unqualified statements on a subject without citing references it doesn't help your argument. If you want to persuade anybody to your way of thinking or that your opinion is correct the burden of proof falls on you, not the reader.

If the reader is that far gone then nothing can bring him back.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I wish people would actually something about a topic before spouting off stupidity based on their own ignorance. When Thomas Jefferson advocated for taxing only the rich, which was he, socialist, or communist? When Ben Franklin started a system of hospitals to give free healthcare to the poor, was he a socialist, or a communist? When Jefferson advocated for, and actually put into place, free education for all, was he a socialist, or a communist? When Christ taught that all you have came from God, even your talent, and was to be used to help the poor, was He a socialist, or a communist?

He was a liar.

At least the people who made up the bible were liars.

If all comes from God, then tell us why he creates us as shown in this link.

Come back and tell us if he is socialist, or a communist or just plain insane.

Regards
DL

 

[PLC1]

Which Muslims don't belong in this nation founded on freedom of religion? Shia? Sunni? Wahabbist?

or are all Muslims the same?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Which Muslims don't belong in this nation founded on freedom of religion? Shia? Sunni? Wahabbist?

or are all Muslims the same?

You mean freedom from religion.

No, not all Muslims are the same but when you can tell me how to differentiate the 70% right wing loonies from the 30% left wing moderates, then we will have a conversation.

Regards
DL

 

[;onecut]

Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..

Islam and Mohamed’s main power comes from freedom from blasphemy and criticism of a disrespectful nature. That freedom takes away the freedom of all men to question and give a man’s unencumbered judgement on Mohamed as to his policies being good or evil. That is pyre tyranny.

Therefore, since being subject to that Muslim rule, means that a man cannot exercise a free judgement on Mohamed and Islam. This goes completely against democracies’ cornerstone of freedom of speech. Islam is thus anti-freedom.

Trump seems to recognize Islam as the satanic and anti-democratic religion that it demonstrably is.

This election is about the freedom of Americans to think for themselves without the threat of death stifling them. Please vote for Trump as he seems to be the only one ready to protect the cornerstone of the U.S.A. and democracy, freedom of speech.

Other than this one issue, American’s would be quite foolish to not elect Bernie Sanders. A moral man. Something rare in politics.

Regards
DL

P.S

Yes I recognize that the left wing of Islam is worthy of us in the West, but there is no way to weed out the left from the tyrannical right and so the whole religion should be banned in the U.S., the same way some other countries are beginning to do.

Since there is no way to weed out the radical right wing christian from the whole of Christianity the whole religion should be banned. (why didn't I think of that?)

 

[;onecut]

I agree with Trump on immigration in general, and Islam in particular. Islam, unlike Christianity, is not tolerant of other faiths. It is anathema to it, and forbidden by their "prophet." We are looking at a future where we submit, or suffer for our faith!
I disagree re. Bernie Sanders. A socialist/communist cannot be described as "moral."

Do you honestly believe a radical fundamentalist christian to be tolerant of other faiths? And believe it or not there were morals long before christianity.

 

[;onecut]

You mean freedom from religion.

No, not all Muslims are the same but when you can tell me how to differentiate the 70% right wing loonies from the 30% left wing moderates, then we will have a conversation.

Regards
DL

You are totally unequipped to determing a radical mnuslim from the rest so you discriminate against all? I suggest you educate yorself. You suggest 70% are right wing loonies?


That is pathetic!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

What is interesting is that you cannot accept the error of the idea of slavery under the teachings of Christ as interpreted by those who wanted slavery.

Even Christ said that "many are called, but few are chosen". Apostate teachings have been around since the death of Christ, and that is why a method of studying scripture was put in place by God, not by man.

and for 2000 years all those wrong people, but you have it all right, your a good christian. you can't be wrong at all.
and the bible does in fact make slavery ok, thats why it has rules for it. you don't say slavery is wrong, but hey if you do, here are some rules....

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Since there is no way to weed out the radical right wing christian from the whole of Christianity the whole religion should be banned. (why didn't I think of that?)

Probably because Christians do not have a Sharia law ande they are smart enough that they know they would not want to live under their God's laws.

Christians are delusional. They are not stupid enough to want biblical law.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You are totally unequipped to determing a radical mnuslim from the rest so you discriminate against all? I suggest you educate yorself. You suggest 70% are right wing loonies?


That is pathetic!

Correct. You cannot tell the good from the evil.

My 70% is statistics. Check them out or remain ignorant.

Regards
DL

 

[Old_Trapper70]

He was a liar.

At least the people who made up the bible were liars.

If all comes from God, then tell us why he creates us as shown in this link.

Come back and tell us if he is socialist, or a communist or just plain insane.

Regards
DL

Is that why you ignored what Jefferson, Franklin, and numerous others, had to say on the topic? You just wanted to denigrate Jesus, and the Apostles,m with your ignorance?

 

[Old_Trapper70]

and for 2000 years all those wrong people, but you have it all right, your a good christian. you can't be wrong at all.
and the bible does in fact make slavery ok, thats why it has rules for it. you don't say slavery is wrong, but hey if you do, here are some rules....

The first rule, if you care to look it up, was that "slavery", in he Hebrew world for the most part, was to be voluntary. And even if it was not there were rules to be followed:

.Leviticus 25: 39-43

"If a countryman of yours becomes so poor with regard to you that he sells himself to you, you shall not subject him to a slave's service. 'He shall be with you as a hired man, as if he were a sojourner; he shall serve with you until the year of jubilee. 'He shall then go out from you, he and his sons with him, and shall go back to his family, that he may return to the property of his forefathers. 'For they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt; they are not to be sold in a slave sale. 'You shall not rule over him with severity, but are to revere your God."

Now, setting aside other rules for the treatment of slaves, which applied to the Hebrew people, not other groups such as the Romans, this comes next:

Exodus 21: 2

"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment."

Then there is this:

Deuteronomy 15: 16, 17

"But if your servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, then take an awl and push it through his earlobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your female servant."

Now, I can give you many more biblical teachings about slavery, however, you would not be able to comprehend them even as you cannot comprehend these.