Will Obama's afiliations with radicals affect him in November?

[Pandora]

For taking his kids to CHURCH? For taking his kids to one of the two largest churches in all of Chicago with literally thousands of local members many well known for their philanthropy and massive good works for the community. For taking his children to hear about God and Jesus Christ our Saviour. Because after all of this good some pastor on some occasions made some controversial statements regarding how minorities were being treated when you don't even have a single clue that the Obamas and their children were even ever there at the time... Mr. & Mrs. Obama are "BAD" parents???

Well I'm glad that Children's Services hasn't kicked their door down and hauled their two sweet little girls away to a more perfect Foster Home.

But of course they wouldn't/couldn't... because the character assignation of this fine young family is groundless, scurrilous and beyond contempt.



THEN IT SHOULD BE EASY... ONE CHARGE... JUST ONE CHARGE. JUST ONE THING THAT ANY OBAMA DID THAT WAS ILLEGAL THAT THEY WERE LEGALLY CHARGED WITH ANY WRONG DOING AT ALL ON. SHOW US THE PENALTY MRS.OBAMA PAID FOR TAX FRAUD, THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD EASY TO FIND IF SOMETHING WAS ACTUALLY AGAINST THE LAW THERE WOULD BE A LEGAL PENALTY! SHOW US!

But then you know you have NOTHING of any illegal wrong doing. What you have is so much pent up hate for the Obamas that you just sling the mud of association and pray something, anything, sticks.



That's correct... you are not a judge nor jury... and we thank God for that. Because I'd hate to think how many other good upstanding people would have been sentenced & wrongly executed.



It was highlighted to show how a person with little means other than the desire to study and work hard came up and became a lawyer, a Constitutional Law Professor, a Community Organizer, a State Senator and then a UNITED STATES SENATOR which is about as investigated, campaigned against & checked out as any person can get...

but most importantly to me he's been a good husband to his wife and a great DAD to those two little girls.

From one Dad to another... HAPPY FATHER'S DAY next Sunday Senator Obama!

Go ahead... swift boat away...

Well if telling the truth is swift boating then call it what you wish.

You did not respond either post about him giving the 2.5 million dollar ear mark to his wife’s work, while she was employed there, or that he lied when he said she was not employed there... while the IRS records said yes she was.

Got an opinion on that?

Oh by the way I do not agree with the death penalty so no worries there.

 

[Libsmasher]

I like to think of myself as being generally objective and able to see through the BS and make up my own mind.

I would respectfully disagree with that, and who DOESN'T think of himself as being generally objective and able to see through the BS and make up his own mind?

I like McCain, I really do. On a national level, I cant think of another Republican I like more. I was a supporter of his in 2000.

Liberals like RINO republicans - surprise, surprise.

He is otherwise a good man. But unfortunatly, right now in 2008 he is well past his prime, he is up against a once in a generation candidate and he has compromised his maverick style in an attempt to attract right wing zealots.

Right - attracting right wing zealots is key to winning the presidency.

His continuation of several key Bush policies is what will be his downfall though.
Obama has/is electrifying and inspiring to me.

This is the problem with Obama supporters - they're "electrified". They scream. They faint. They don't come away saying "obama is right on farm price supports, and here's what he said..." They're in love with a rock star.

 

[Bunz]

I would respectfully disagree with that, and who DOESN'T think of himself as being generally objective and able to see through the BS and make up his own mind?

Ok fair enough my friend. Point taken. That is a pretty universal trait among opinionated people. I guess I will say this in defense. I support various issues that are often associated with either party.
I am a gun toting, ANWR drilling, aerial dog hunt supporting, trapping/fishing, part Republican supporting liberal!

Liberals like RINO republicans - surprise, surprise.

Yeah funny how that works. Everything in moderation right?

Right - attracting right wing zealots is key to winning the presidency.

Well he is going to need that base to have a chance. The big thing that McCain is lacking is a ground game. Obama is already mobilized. I think you will see all except the most die hard Hillary supporters come to Obama.

This is the problem with Obama supporters - they're "electrified". They scream. They faint. They don't come away saying "obama is right on farm price supports, and here's what he said..." They're in love with a rock star.

Which is what got Bush elected in 2000. The candidate youd want to have a beer with...
What has driven the American people to seek out and support this sort of politician is often the result of the ineptness in the current skipper.

 

[top gun]

NO Obamanation;41495]Well if telling the truth is swift boating then call it what you wish.

If only any of that were true my friend... if only any of that were true.

You did not respond either post about him giving the 2.5 million dollar ear mark to his wife’s work, while she was employed there, or that he lied when he said she was not employed there... while the IRS records said yes she was.

Got an opinion on that?

I guess I'll say for the third time now. IF THERE WAS ANY OBAMA ILLEGAL WRONG DOING POST THE CASE NUMBER. POST EVEN ANY OBAMA COURT DATE. POST ANY JUDGMENT. POST ANY PENALTY LEVIED. POST THE OUTCOME OF ANY OBAMA ETHICS INVESTIGATION.

But there is none... was none. But then you know that as well as I.

Just groundless attacks and a twisting of the truth to try an make it appear a crime had been committed by this good & loving family.

 

[SW85]

1.attack thier policies
When that doesnt work...
2.attack thier character
When that doesnt work...
3.attack thier supporters

The man is chummy with an unrepentant former terrorist, for God's sake. People have a right to be concerned about that kinda' thing.

At any rate, it's not exactly like we can criticize him on the basis of policy, since no one knows where he stands on anything.

For taking his kids to CHURCH?

Certainly for taking them to THAT church, which, as has been detailed elsewhere, is ethnocentric and heretical.

 

[Pandora]

If only any of that were true my friend... if only any of that were true.



I guess I'll say for the third time now. IF THERE WAS ANY OBAMA ILLEGAL WRONG DOING POST THE CASE NUMBER. POST EVEN ANY OBAMA COURT DATE. POST ANY JUDGMENT. POST ANY PENALTY LEVIED. POST THE OUTCOME OF ANY OBAMA ETHICS INVESTIGATION.

But there is none... was none. But then you know that as well as I.

Just groundless attacks and a twisting of the truth to try an make it appear a crime had been committed by this good & loving family.

I think that it is against the senate and house rules to give family members ear marks, it is at the very least it is unethical.

Obama said his wife was not on the payroll when he gave the 2.5 million dollars, and IRS said she was on the payroll. Who is lying? One of them is for sure.

 

[GenSeneca]

1.attack their policies
2.attack their character
3.attack their supporters
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1. Obama's Policies are intentionally vague. The ones I have nailed down, or am pretty confident he will follow through on, I have throughly examined and laid out elsewhere on another forum. I dragged one example over and its related to spending.
2. Obama's character
"Judge not by the color of my skin but by the content of my character"-King

Obama is hung up on RACE bigtime... so is his wife, his pastor, close associates and even his bots in the media that praise Allah for a black candidate who's not an "uncle tom" (Republican). His character is not off limits when it comes to applying for the job of "most powerful man in the world"....
Barack on Race:

Barack, on his own drug and alcohol abuse:

Caught lying about McCain:

Compilation of his shifting policies, I.E. Lies:

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Of course I don't expect any Obama supporters to watch any of these, or have an impact on your decision if you do... not like there is another option for you to vote for anyway....

It would however be nice if his supporters held him to the same standard they would hold McCain. Demand honesty, clarity of policy position and certainly some consistency regarding his personal associations.

Obama's positions Change depending on his audience, he kept company with many unsavory characters for decades and had only praise for them - that is until his associations with these people became known. Then on 3 occasion had the same excuse: "This is not the person I've known for decades." which gets him off the hook with a nudge and a wink to his accomplices in the media.

And spending.... Obama proposes nearly 1 Trillion - with a "T" - in additional spending for his administration.... Well, before he even got his parties nomination, he tried to push a bill through Congress that would cost taxpayers nearly 1 Trillion - with a "T" - Dollars:

A nice-sounding bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.

Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. --AIM

Just a quick recap - our national budget was almost 3 Trillion in '08 and we are, still, operating in the red... as in, going bankrupt. Obama wants to add another 25% to the budget for his administration domestically and GIVE AWAY about a trillion more under the guise of Global Warming and/or Global Poverty acts.

3. Obama supporters. No attacks, just a question:

Are there Obama supporters that think we can spend our way out of a deficit?
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McCain is horrible but Obama is a freaking nightmare... at least to people who understand the difference between what a politician says to get in office (No nation building) and what they actually do once they get into office.

If McCain is painted as Bush III, then Obama certainly fits the mold for Carter II.

 

[Pandora]

Very good link, thank you very much. I tried to find simular stuff that I had seen on the news but I didn't have luck, so thank you so much!

 

[Popeye]

You want some lying, here are 3 documented case of John McCain doing just that. Two of them involve Iraq, a war he has promised to keep us involved in and now has proved he will lie about....gee, where have I seen that act before?

 

[top gun]

I think that it is against the senate and house rules to give family members ear marks, it is at the very least it is unethical.

Obama said his wife was not on the payroll when he gave the 2.5 million dollars, and IRS said she was on the payroll. Who is lying? One of them is for sure.

OK... then all you have to do is post what law or ethics violation the authorities charged the Senator with and you are golden.

I mean come on... you know about it. Surely there was some investigation, charges and an outcome on these very serious violations???

OR... You're still just down in the mud trying to tarnish the reputation of a good, ethical, Christian family man & father.

I do remember something about Senator Obama and ETHICS though... Oh here it is...

Ethics and Lobbying Reform

Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government. As an Illinois State Senator, he helped pass the state’s first major ethics reform bill in 25 years. And as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of numerous scandals.

In the first two weeks of the 110th Congress, Senator Obama helped lead the Senate to pass the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act, a comprehensive ethics and lobbying reform bill, by a 96-2 vote. This landmark bill was signed into law by the President in September 2007.

The final bill that the Congress passed closely mirrored and drew key provisions in a bill (S. 230) that Senators Obama and Feingold introduced in January 2007 to establish a “gold standard” for reform. Among the provisions in the Obama-Feingold bill that were adopted by the Senate and the House were: strict bans on receiving gifts and meals from lobbyists; new rules to slow the revolving door between public and private sector service; and an end to the subsidized use of corporate jets.

Most importantly, the final reform bill contained a provision pushed by Senator Obama to require the disclosure of contributions that registered lobbyists “bundle” – that is, collect or arrange – for candidates, leadership PACs, and party committees. The New York Times called this provision “the most sweeping” in the bill, and the Washington Post said: “No single change would add more to public understanding of how money really operates in Washington.”

In January 2006, Senator Obama laid the groundwork for the reform package that the Senate eventually adopted a year later. He started building a coalition for reform by helping to author the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act introduced with 41 Democratic sponsors. The bill proposed lengthening the cooling off period to two years for lawmakers who seek to become lobbyists and requiring immediate disclosure as soon as public servants initiate any job negotiations to become lobbyists. The bill would have opened conference committee meetings to the public and required that all bills be posted on the Internet for 24 hours before they can be voted on by the Senate. Finally, the bill would have ended all lobbyist-funded gifts, meals, and travel and strengthened the Senate office that monitors lobbyist disclosure forms. All of these provisions were incorporated in either identical or similar form into the final bill passed in 2007.

In addition, Senator Obama sponsored three other ethics-related bills in the 109th Congress that went even further on ethics, earmarks, and legislative transparency. By the time of the 110th Congress, his ideas for reform had gained support, and many of his proposals were passed by the Senate.

The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act
The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists. The commission would have the authority to investigate complaints and present public findings of fact about possible violations to the House and Senate Ethics Committee and Justice Department. By taking the initial fact finding out of the hands of members of Congress, who are often reluctant to investigate their colleagues, the bill ensures prompt and fair disposition of public complaints.

To avoid manipulation of the commission for political purposes, any person filing a complaint that they knew to be false would be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment. No complaints could be filed against a member of Congress for 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election.

The bill was widely endorsed by reform groups. According to Common Cause: "[T]his legislation would do more to reform ethics and lobbying than any other piece of legislation introduced thus far because it goes to the heart of the problem: enforcement." Public Citizen praised Senator Obama "for having the courage to challenge the business-as-usual environment on Capitol Hill and introduce far-reaching legislation." Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington stated: "This is the first bill that deals seriously with the lack of oversight and enforcement in the existing congressional ethics process. . . . This bill will help restore Americans' confidence in the integrity of Congress.

The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act
This bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act)
This bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations. Conference committee meetings and deliberations would have to be open to the public or televised, and conference reports would have to identify changes made to the bill from the House and Senate versions. Finally, no bill could be considered by the full Senate unless the measure has been made available to all Senators and the general public on the Internet for at least 72 hours.

 

[Jeugenen]

OBAMA ATTACKED BY HATE- BAITERS

This notorious compulsive anti-Semite, racist, and Muslim baiting, the standard Podhoretz Neo-Conservative and Leiberman Neo-Liberal hate-baiting tactic in the American Cultural War, does more damage to the evil reputation of these Crypto- Neo-Marxist hate-baiters than to the good reputations of their victims. It is the seed of their own inevitable self-destruction in America.

In a particular case, the “Obama is Muslim” is just another obvious Charlie Black wonderful propaganda ploys, because Obama is known to have earned broad support among Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Humanists of all races. And such foolish systematic attempts at the intimidation and slander of Obama, by these immoral hate-baiters shall not go un-punished by the American People.

Google: “Who Would the World Elect”

 

[GenSeneca]

Among the provisions in the Obama-Feingold bill that were adopted by the Senate and the House were: strict bans on receiving gifts and meals from lobbyists;

How strict? Lobbyists cannot buy you lunch if you're sitting down, so Congressmen will have to stand to receive free meals from lobbyists. That came out in one of the debates in case you missed it but its only one example of the useless reforms.

How do you get a "Reform" bill passed with a 96-2 vote? A: Pork

It was a dog and pony show - Reform bills should not cost the taxpayers any money at all but with "Ethics Reform" in the name, no Congressmen was going to be on record voting against it, so they agreed to load it up with pork and keep the teeth out of the new "Reforms".

The 2 who were brave enough to vote against this worthless, pork laden legislation deserve an award but instead it will be used against them when the time comes: Did you know so-and-so voted AGAINST ethics reform in Congress?

 

[top gun]

GenSeneca;41869]How strict? Lobbyists cannot buy you lunch if you're sitting down, so Congressmen will have to stand to receive free meals from lobbyists. That came out in one of the debates in case you missed it but its only one example of the useless reforms.

How do you get a "Reform" bill passed with a 96-2 vote?

ME! Miss a debate... never!!!

First of all Senator Obama has initiated ethics reform on more than one occasion and in more than one place. And furthermore he's so serious about it he's even ran his campaign without any money from any lobbyists. Being above board seems very important to Senator Obama. I like that.

Secondly the "sitting/standing" change was not the whole Bill. It was one small part. It always amuses me when any progress in a positive direction is ridiculed. Don't worry about the first downs just throw for the end zones or it doesn't matter. Doesn't win in football or politics.

It matters. It matters a lot. When you govern you work with people. People that don't always want what you want. A good political like Senator Obama knows that even the longest journey begins with the first steps. The important thing is he's committed to trying to make things better.