Anti-Gay Concentration Camps

[Squall]

This is something the mainstream media has refused to report enough on. A company in Utah named "Teen Escort Services" is regularly contracted to kidnap LGBT teenagers in the middle of the night, deport them to a concentration camp in a country that doesn't extradite to the US, and torture them. The goal of these concentration camps is to beat "the gay" out of them. It's legal because homophobic parents sign over legal documents allowing them to go to these camps to "cure" their homosexuality. They are not allowed to leave these camps and are regularly tortured, they are also banned from speaking about the outside world. According to some testimonies, the teenagers tried to rebel against their Nazi overseers, but were gunned down with rubber bullets.

Please don't blame the entire United States for these crimes against humanity. In Utah (and Jamaica, which is where one of the concentration camps is located) teenagers lack the same basic human rights as adults and Utah is known for being predominantly Mormon. For those of you who don't know, Mormonism is a radical far right wing sect of Christianity that often does outrageous things and promotes incest, inbreeding, and now apparently the kidnapping & false imprisonment of minors. This is legal because the companies involved "donated" large sums of money to many politicians and the leader of one of the concentration camp operating companies, World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools, is a close personal friend of many politicians, including Mitt Romney.

Here's one victim's story: http://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/hk0xy/a_gay_teen_describes_her_experience_at_a_utah/

Original Discussion on Facepunch: http://www.facepunch.com/threads/10...erience-at-a-Utah-WWASP-brainwashing-facility

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Association_of_Specialty_Programs_and_Schools

 

[Stalin]

How can this happen ?

The United States is the leader of the free world.

Not some squalid wannabe Nazi state...

Comrade Stalin

 

[TruthSeeker]

So what exactly is your point here? This "organization", WWASPS, is being sued by multiple people, and is no longer in business, according to your, ahem, "Wikipedia" link (need I say more).

Your other two links are different websites that published the same "story" that was written by a "troubled teen" who supposedly was a "victim" of this organization. Her story reads like a fictitious writing assignment.

 

[Rick]

No credibilty to this at all. The lib media would be all over this if it were actually happening.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

No credibilty to this at all. The lib media would be all over this if it were actually happening.

Why wouldn't the consevative media be all over this as well? Do you feel that this is the proper way to deal with gay and transgendered children? In your opinion would conservatives in general see this as a positive way to handle our children?

 

[Rick]

Why wouldn't the consevative media be all over this as well?

The conservative media has its hands full reporting all the substantial news of the day censored by the lib media.

Do you feel that this is the proper way to deal with gay and transgendered children? In your opinion would conservatives in general see this as a positive way to handle our children?

No, I wouldn't do anything horrible to homosexuals of any age. I think they are what they are, and I don't have any problem with homosexuals until they start getting pushy and demanding special privileges.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Why wouldn't the consevative media be all over this as well? Do you feel that this is the proper way to deal with gay and transgendered children? In your opinion would conservatives in general see this as a positive way to handle our children?

The media is not "all over this" because the whole story is a bunch of B.S.

ANY decent person, regardless of their political persuasion, would not find this method of "handling" children as being acceptable in any way, shape, or form.

Your questions are ridiculous, Mare. You should know better.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

The media is not "all over this" because the whole story is a bunch of B.S.

ANY decent person, regardless of their political persuasion, would not find this method of "handling" children as being acceptable in any way, shape, or form.

Your questions are ridiculous, Mare. You should know better.

I know too many children who have been treated in terrible ways to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. There is a protest march tonight here in Portland for two gay people who were savagely beaten. I know a transgendered woman who's father alternately beat her for not being a "man" and raped her because she was so feminine. Don't kid yourself, "decent" people are capable of ghastly indecency.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I know too many children who have been treated in terrible ways to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. There is a protest march tonight here in Portland for two gay people who were savagely beaten. I know a transgendered woman who's father alternately beat her for not being a "man" and raped her because she was so feminine. Don't kid yourself, "decent" people are capable of ghastly indecency.

You missed my point. The way children are treated by their parents has nothing to do with politics.

Children get abused all the time, by parents, by other relatives, and by other adults.

People get "savagely beaten" for a variety of reasons besides being gay. The difference is I don't see those people being supported with "protest marches".

Women are raped for a variety of reasons. Men get raped, too. So where is your righteous indignation for all of those people?

Pick and choosing who is more or less deserving of being abused, based on their sexual preferences or their age, is ridiculous.

 

[Rick]

You missed my point. The way children are treated by their parents has nothing to do with politics.

Children get abused all the time, by parents, by other relatives, and by other adults.

People get "savagely beaten" for a variety of reasons besides being gay. The difference is I don't see those people being supported with "protest marches".

Women are raped for a variety of reasons. Men get raped, too. So where is your righteous indignation for all of those people?

Pick and choosing who is more or less deserving of being abused, based on their sexual preferences or their age, is ridiculous.

Good response. Also ridiculous is the hate crime specification, which holds that beating up some people deserves a worse penalty than giving the same beating to others.

 

[Centrehalf]

People get "savagely beaten" for a variety of reasons besides being gay. The difference is I don't see those people being supported with "protest marches".

Great point.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Great point.

the problem is, if you beat up someone because you are personal pissed at them..or to steal there money ...its a attack on you,

when you beat up a random gay person ( or black, or even white) because of that reason...it sends a message to all of that group. Just like if I burned down a house of business out of personal anger at them...vs I burned down a church because I hate all Christians...When I burned the Church..the church was not my target...All Christians where the target...

Just like on Sept 11..the 3000 killed where not targeted....we as Americans where targeted as a whole...every American was a victim of that attack..and a target...( no not as much as those who died) Under the same idea of no hate crimes, it could be argued that there should be no terrorism laws as well...simply it was 3000 murders...But we don't say that..we call it a act of terrorism and have special extra laws for it...not because killing was different then if 3000 random people where murdered....but because terrorism we know has a greater effect on the population as a whole.

I state this as the argument for why we have hate crimes laws...even though I do agree that in most cases the punishment for the crime should be able to be strong enough with or without hate crimes laws.

 

[Rick]

9-11 reduced to a hate crime??

Do the world a favor and leave your brain to medical science - preferably a conservative research institute.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

9-11 reduced to a hate crime??

Do the world a favor and leave your brain to medical science - preferably a conservative research institute.

learn to read

 

[Centrehalf]

Just like on Sept 11..the 3000 killed where not targeted....we as Americans where targeted as a whole...every American was a victim of that attack..and a target...( no not as much as those who died) Under the same idea of no hate crimes, it could be argued that there should be no terrorism laws as well...simply it was 3000 murders...But we don't say that..we call it a act of terrorism and have special extra laws for it...not because killing was different then if 3000 random people where murdered....but because terrorism we know has a greater effect on the population as a whole.

I don't consider the attacks on 9-11 to be terrorism, I consider it an act of war by a group of people who had already declared jihad and had stated publicly that they wanted to destroy the "Great Satan".

I see the point you're making about the effect certain actions may have on entire groups of people, and given the line of reasoning you're pursuing I agree with your example of anti-terrorism laws. I just think it's wrong to single out an individual and say that his crime is worse than other similar crimes just because the victim looks or acts a certain way. I also don't think that we should have the anti-terrorism laws because I don't think they enhance our ability to deal with terrorists, although they certainly enhance the ability of Uncle Sam to keep tabs on me.