If you take more than a glancing look at my post (#34), you will notice a quote, bordered by nice neat lines, pertaining to heart transplants. That, is from the Mayo Clinic website, I never claimed anything else.
I do apologize. I had read your post, as I am not prone to only taking glancing looks at posts, with a very few exceptions of the people who post here. You are not in that small group, Popeye. When I used the quote function of course it didn't bring that forward. I may be back and forth between a thread here and other things I'm doing, and I lost sight of it. So my most sincere apology! No intent to misrepresent your post, and it was sloppy on my part.
Since you want to talk about waiting lists, here is the average waiting time for a particular organ within the US:
My only point is, again, to demonstrate that waiting lists are not confined to countries with that evil "socialized medicine."
Agreed. Tissue and organ donor recipients are subject to tremendously long waits. It's a truth in any advanced country performing these procedures, and all are affected to some degree. Many factors come into play. For example, the heart recipient candidates range from a median waiting time of 51 days for AB blood type, to 241 days for O blood type. Based on age ranges, some of the numbers are 61 days for 11-17 years of age (lowest waits) to 170 in the 28-34 ages (longest). The wait for those 65+ is a median 84 days. These stats are from the OPTN: Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network
, the leading (basically only) national organization in the field on the medical coordination end. Like yours from the government, most recent numbers are from 2003-2004.
All modern medical systems will share this delay issue. Unless some choose to go out and "harvest" organs in a more aggressive manner. Socializing our health care in the US will do nothing to improve this. Numbers will vary from year to year, partly as more or less people sign up as organ donors. The truth is, the number of people needing transplants increases at a higher rate every year than the number of donors. In 2005, there were 44,606 new additions to the list for transplants, while the new donor list grew by only 14,491. In the case of organ transplants that's a big part of the wait.
Perhaps I didn't make it clear. My issue on delays didn't pertain to transplants. It was about the question about cancer patients requiring diagnostic endoscopies
. and the answer. And the references about conditions "outside the cancer pathway" goals.
The U.S. spends more on health care, both as a proportion of gross domestic product (GDP) and on a per-capita basis, than any other nation in the world. Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, the world's highest.
Meanwhile, we have an estimated 47 million uninsured. For those 47 million we are indeed 'Sicko', as medical bills are the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States.
"Problems that need solving", that's an understatement.
- As far as 15% of GDP going to health care, that covers a lot of ground. It is estimated that 19.3-24.1% of health care costs is strictly administrative, or 3-4% of the GDP goes just to administrative costs in health care. I don't know if that figure is hospitals, insurance companies, drug companies or government, or a combination, etc.
- 47 million uninsured - Depending on the source, these estimates range fro a low of 43 million to the about 47 million number. So use the 47 million. This represents about 15.7% of the population. Call it 16%. Of that, 25% (11.75 million) are below the poverty level. Which means they currently qualify for government funded programs but don't participate. Another 28% (13.16 million) are at three times the poverty level or above. Which means they should be able to easily buy into some type of health care insurance.
So of the 47 million uninsured, better than half (24.91 million) could or should be insured. It's still a big number, but it drops the balance to 22.09 million, about 7.5% of the population.
Instead of creating another, or expanding an old, government program into a burgeoning monolith, I hope that we look to other options. Expanding Health Savings Accounts, eliminating or reducing state-to-state barriers for insurance coverage for health insurance and stimulating cafeteria-style programs could provide the safety net we're seeking. It would also set the stage for the future, as more employers move out of the role as insurance intermediaries and market competition works it's magic.
- The most often cited reason for personal bankruptcies as of 2006 is losing a job at about 66%. Second was a serious health problem, about 1/2. (From statistics provided by Elizabeth Harris, Harvard Law School. Ironically, she had a part in SICKO
.) As the numbers come in from fallout from the mortgage market problems, it will be different yet, no doubt.
There are always problems that need solving. Perhaps Mr. Moore would grace us with some true in-depth solutions instead of just his raw, sensationalist and sad to say half-baked 'exposes'. I'm sick to death of everything either being the fault of the government, or the government being the solution to the problem. As my dear departed mother used to say: "You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. There is no middle ground."