Dr.Who
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I meant specifically terrorists - like AQ.
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I meant specifically terrorists - like AQ.
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Gipper
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We know the radical left loved anarchists 100 years ago. Anarchists and terrorists are very similar. They killed president McKinley. So, we can conclude they have a long history of siding with terrorists.
But it doesn't really matter who it is they side with. We know they always side with those who hate America and want to destroy it.
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This looks like a valid argument but it is not.
No matter how bad, real or imagined, the historical record of who I may or may not support, the fact is that Reagan supported terrorism and atrocity.
Address the issue I raise, not engage in ad hominem logical fallacies please.
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"Words of WISDOM" From "ALWAYS" !
I was reared in a home by loving parents whose only fault were they believed in F.D.R. and his fascist policies which they were brainwashed into thinking were "liberals".
Even I , The brillant "ALWAYS", first swallowed these liberal lies until I became an adult, worthy of thought and love for America.
As I entered the "RAT RACE" to obtain wealth I saw very quickly that working for a Union MOB , earning peanuts, was NOT my FUTURE.
I saw too many union goons beating workers who did not tow the communist union line. Class Warfare was preached by the democrat party as well as their hate for Blacks. It was the REPUBLICAN PARTY that made the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS BILL possible . Democrats from both the South and the NORTH were against giving Blacks and other poor people their Constitutional Rights. ANY ONE who takes the time to SEE WHO PASSED the 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT will discover REPUBLICANS supplied the WINNING VOTES. Liberal LIES have always painted a different picture BUT TRUTH STANDS OUT!
AS a result I left the democrat party and joined the G.O.P. in 1964. YES, GOLDWATER vs the sneak L.B.J.-- L.B.J. won , America LOST and THOUSANDS OF OUR TROOPS DIED! LIBERALS LIED AGAIN , AGAIN , and STILL DO. The current democrat party is made up of three groups:
1- a Radical Leftist group that HATES AMERICA
2- a Fascist , Socialist , Statist group that HATES AMERICA and our CONSTITUTION
3- a third group made up of ignorant people who remain so due to laziness or content to suck off the teat of our federal government for freebies
ALL three groups are born liars and will stop at nothing to get their evil deeds passed. ie , the buying of votes from our Congress for the STATE CONTROLLED HEALTH CARE SCHEME. 300 MILLIONS DOLLARS was made available just to bribe one senator from Louisiana for HER VOTE, MARY LANDRIEU-- HOW ROTTEN IS THAT! ? But democrats will even do worse if challenged , remmember VINCE FOSTER?
LIBERALISM is NOT REALLY AMERICANISM in any way!
I prospered personally when I left the democrat party , never worked in a UNION again , never worked for an hourly wage again. When I needed more MONEY , for me or my family. I SOLD MORE PRODUCTS!!! , I never received an UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK IN MY LIFE . NEVER ON WELFARE, NEVER BEGGED , NEVER STOLE , NEVER acted like a liberal after 1964!
My GOD BLESSED ME , MY FAMILY , and MY FRIENDS. Yes, I thank GOD my parents were democrats, it gave me first hand knowledge how the liberal party suckered their voters , lied to them , fooled them, and chained them to a lessor life than they deserved . democrats continue to do the same today! , Just look at Obama , an INEPT president , the worst in our history , worse than Carter! Our Nation is DYING , Obama is LYING , and our Troops Mothers are CRYING!! MY GOD , AMERICA , WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???
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OK so we've established that you missed the Med Cart today!
So now let's come back to the world of the rational.
LIBERAL BELIEFS
I believe people are more important than things
I believe all of our children should have access to a high quality education
I believe we should respect those who are different than ourselves and treat them with dignity
I believe everyone should be treated equally under the law
I believe the most vulnerable among us should be protected
I believe that while war may regrettably be necessary it should only be undertaken after all other solutions have been exhausted
I believe encouraging diverse viewpoints makes us stronger
I believe society should be responsible for endeavors, that support the common good and are beyond the scope of individuals
I believe it is my duty to pay for the costs of services government provides
I believe it is wrong to dictate the beliefs of others
I believe that none of us should be forced to live in poverty
I believe everyone should have enough to eat
I believe everyone should have a place to live
I believe everyone should have access to quality healthcare
I believe all religious traditions deserve respect
I believe that those who claim to speak for God have not been listening carefully to the words of God
I believe that moral positions which promote hate are actually immoral
I believe I am responsible for my own behavior and the consequences of that behavior I believe that policy decisions should be based on facts and science
I believe we should try to eradicate the root causes of crime
I believe criminal justice should never be cruel
I believe it is wrong to take advantage of others
I believe we must resist the temptation of majorities to tyrannize minorities
~Rodger Raino, from "True Blue Liberal"
Dr.Who
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Then you should not want to violate people's civil liberties by taking awaay their things just to give their things to other people.
Then you should support vouchers to be used in home schooling since it is the type of school that turns out the best educated kids.
Then you should respect that some of those people really value their freedoms more than you value their freedoms.
Then you should be opposed to affirmative action and progressive taxes.
Dr.Who
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Then you should uphold the rule of law in general that says that all should be protected equally. We need first to have a just society. You should act personally to protect the vulnerable. You should not be in favor of any laws that do not protect anyone's rights because a gov that can violate the rights of a few less vulnerable is that much more able to violate the vulnerable.
Agreed. I would add that I think both parties take advantage of the same state department that always strives for diplomacy. I agree that the Iraq war was taken too hastily from what I know. But it was just and we are there now so we should finish it.
Then you should not discourage any view points at all in pursuit of encouraging "diverse" viewpoints. Bigotry and homophobia etc are all diverse views. A free marketplace of ideas is best.
"Let all with something to say be free to express themselves. The true and sound will survive. The false and unsound will be vanquished. Government should keep out of the battle and not weigh the odds in favor of one side or the other." Milton's principles of the "self-righting process" and "open marketplace of ideas" were promoted by Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson took it to heart and argued that, "any government which can not stand up to published criticism deserves to fall".[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_of_ideas
No one is stopping you from forming alliances with other like-minded individuals and doing just that. But as soon as you attempt to reach that goal through any coercion you undermine your very principles.
Until that gov steps over the boundaries of what is permitted.
So you mean that if some other person does not believe in giving to the most vulnerable (but instead would give to someone else or even to cats or even to himself) you would not dictate to that person what they should do?
Dr.Who
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Certainly if someone acts in a way that causes another person to lose what they have worked for that is an injustice. But if a person makes free choices that result in his poverty and he wants to continue it it then that is not force. I believe that your statement is good but you interpret it to mean that those in poverty should be given government welfare and that is not the same.
Then you should be giving to those who don't. You should be encouraging your friends to do the same. I believe that all of us here should be giving to food pantries right now. I have never seen another person here make that statement. I have seen people say that gov should coerce money from some to give to those who need food. But there is more than one way to skin a cat and the way that is coercive is not the best.
So should the homeless be able to sue the gov of they don't have a place to live?
Whew! Well that one is taken care of because 100% of the population has access to 1) their own money, 2) their own insurance 4) charity and community or 4) public aid.
How are you doing on that one?
Dr.Who
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I believe I just bookmarked this post of yours for future reference.
Gipper
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BS Uncle Joe. Reagan never supported terrorism unlike your Stalinist buddies. He was trying to stop your boys from taking over Central America and control the Commies in the Kremlin. He supported those who were fighting against commies like you. We all know what happens when commies get in control - millions die. Reagan lead by taking action rather than sit on his ass like the guy in charge now.
Uncle Joe's Bio:
* Supreme leader of the Soviet Union from 1929 to 1953
* Denied civil rights, housing rights, and health care to all suspected "enemies"
* Sought to entirely liquidate the clergy
* Nationalized all aspects of Russian industry and commerce via disastrous collectivization policies that ravaged the country's economy
* Intentionally engineered famine in Ukraine during 1932-33, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 10 million people
* Expelled hundreds of thousands of Communist Party members
* Between August and December of 1937, launched at least ten operations to liquidate groups of suspected spies or "subversives" -- one nationality at a time
* During Great Terror of 1936-39, millions were imprisoned, enslaved, deported, or executed; the death toll during this period was approximately 700,000, or 20,000 per month..
* Conducted massive purge of the Red Army, resulting in the execution, imprisonment, or dismissal of more than 35,000 officers
* Deported millions to forced labor camps, or Gulags, where inhuman conditions resulted in the deaths of some 2.7 million people
Nice guy to honor.
OK so we've established that you missed the Med Cart today!
So now let's come back to the world of the rational.
LIBERAL BELIEFS
I believe people are more important than things
I believe all of our children should have access to a high quality education
I believe we should respect those who are different than ourselves and treat them with dignity
I believe everyone should be treated equally under the law
I believe the most vulnerable among us should be protected
I believe that while war may regrettably be necessary it should only be undertaken after all other solutions have been exhausted
I believe encouraging diverse viewpoints makes us stronger
I believe society should be responsible for endeavors, that support the common good and are beyond the scope of individuals
I believe it is my duty to pay for the costs of services government provides
I believe it is wrong to dictate the beliefs of others
I believe that none of us should be forced to live in poverty
I believe everyone should have enough to eat
I believe everyone should have a place to live
I believe everyone should have access to quality healthcare
I believe all religious traditions deserve respect
I believe that those who claim to speak for God have not been listening carefully to the words of God
I believe that moral positions which promote hate are actually immoral
I believe I am responsible for my own behavior and the consequences of that behavior I believe that policy decisions should be based on facts and science
I believe we should try to eradicate the root causes of crime
I believe criminal justice should never be cruel
I believe it is wrong to take advantage of others
I believe we must resist the temptation of majorities to tyrannize minorities
~Rodger Raino, from "True Blue Liberal"
when I FIRST READ "Gippers" words , I knew he had you in mind,"water pistol"
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Gipper
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OK so we've established that you missed the Med Cart today!
So now let's come back to the world of the rational.
LIBERAL BELIEFS
I believe people are more important than things
I believe all of our children should have access to a high quality education
I believe we should respect those who are different than ourselves and treat them with dignity
I believe everyone should be treated equally under the law
I believe the most vulnerable among us should be protected
I believe that while war may regrettably be necessary it should only be undertaken after all other solutions have been exhausted
I believe encouraging diverse viewpoints makes us stronger
I believe society should be responsible for endeavors, that support the common good and are beyond the scope of individuals
I believe it is my duty to pay for the costs of services government provides
I believe it is wrong to dictate the beliefs of others
I believe that none of us should be forced to live in poverty
I believe everyone should have enough to eat
I believe everyone should have a place to live
I believe everyone should have access to quality healthcare
I believe all religious traditions deserve respect
I believe that those who claim to speak for God have not been listening carefully to the words of God
I believe that moral positions which promote hate are actually immoral
I believe I am responsible for my own behavior and the consequences of that behavior I believe that policy decisions should be based on facts and science
I believe we should try to eradicate the root causes of crime
I believe criminal justice should never be cruel
I believe it is wrong to take advantage of others
I believe we must resist the temptation of majorities to tyrannize minorities
~Rodger Raino, from "True Blue Liberal"
Let me add a few...
I believe George Bush should we executed for war crimes.
I believe Bill Clinton the greatest president ever.
I believe the military should be disbanded and we should surrender.
I believe a women can kill her unborn baby whenever she wishes.
I believe the death penalty should never be applied except for conservatives.
I believe in paying taxes just not me.
I believe Acorn and SEIU are GREAT!
I believe Dems always do good things and Rs do bad things.
I believe gay sex should be taught to first graders.
I believe global warming is real no matter the facts.
I believe whatever liberal elites tell me to believe.
