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Specter: "Kemp would still be alive" if government controlled more health care

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Little-Acorn, May 4, 2009.

  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    In case you didn't think Specter was and is a liberal extremist, this should help you make up your mind.

    No specifics, no reason to think govt health care cured more than we would have with the govt keeping its nose out. Just the blanket assertion.

    Right up there with "Man causes global warming" and "Embryonic stem cell research will do more good than other kinds". Not the slightest bit of evidence or any other reason to think it's so. Just the plain statement, in support of Big Government taking ever more money from people to pursue a fruitless dream, while the people could have done something useful with that money.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/04/specter-hints-kemp-died-of-gop-agenda/
     
  2. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    What was he smoking, to think that if government controlled health care, that Jack Kemp would somehow still be alive? That's idiocy.
     
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    Specter was expressing an opinion on cancer...one that is shared by many researchers. The GOP, because of their fundie base, has held back progress.

    I found this part from Specter interesting as well:

    "But as a matter of principle, I'm becoming much more comfortable with the Democrats' approach.

    BTW, thanks for the link to the right wing Moonie site. The Wa Times is always sooo credible.
     
  4. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Check it out! There goes yet another lieftist fanatic who thinks that if government doesn't do it, no one will do it. Govermnet cutting back on (unconstitutional) govt medical research, will result in a reduction of ALL of that kind of medical research!

    And when this guy can't legitimately refute the OP, he tries to attack the messenger instead.

    Do you have any "credible" evidence that Arlen Specter DIDN'T say the things the WT reports he said?

    I didn't think so.

    That takes care of the "Moonie times" diversions, I believe.... :D
     
  5. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    its hard to take "with no proof" from someone who still does not belive global warming is impacted by man...even Bush had to man up to that one after his own study agreed with that statement...

    but keep crying about spector being some super liberal...watch as your power fades away...die republican party die...maybe a sane one can replace it when its dead.
     
  6. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    Sorry you're having such difficulty.

    Have you sought help?
     
  7. Andy

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    That's idiocy. Specter is an idiot. If you believe that, you are right with him.
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    It's ironic to meet people who supposedly are for science, and then attack others for not believing a theory that is unsupportable from a scientific perspective.

    Basically you are attacking us for not believing the world is flat. You want "proof" but than ridicule those that don't believe global warming because there's no proof. That's idiocy.
     
  9. Mr. Shaman

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    Kinda like lookin'-in-a-mirror, huh?

    :rolleyes:

    I'm sure corporate-America appreciates you offering the other-extreme.

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah.....the last thing we need is a better-regulated (i.e. eliminate excessive-profit/make more-affordable) health-care....and, prove you WRONG. We certainly don't need any o' that!!

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Yeah.....The Marketplace has done such a bang-up job, to-date.​

    :rolleyes:
     
  12. pocketfullofshells

    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    when you claim no proof, against the thing that actuly has the vast majority of science behind it, with alot of evidence...then your a idiot. you can disagree, but you cant claim its baseless and without evidence when in fact there is alot of it.
     
  13. Andy

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    No actually there isn't a "vast majority of science behind it". That's a myth. Which my whole point. You know NOTHING about the science behind it, but claim there's this mythical massive evidence for it. That is being an idiot. You haven't researched it. You haven't studied it. You have only been told what to think, and assume it's true.

    I on the other hand, have searched, read, gone through the data, learned everything I can about the supposed science behind "man-made global warming" and can say conclusively, it's a hoax.
     
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    Ya' "channel" Tom Cruise, often????

    Have you cleared your theories with XENU???

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Here is a funny story of divine justice. I am sure good ole Specter has more to worry about now than using Jack Kemp’s name to gain political points with the Dems.

    Democrats Strip Arlen Specter of Committee Rank
    Wednesday, May 6, 2009 12:21 PM


    Sen. Arlen Specter was unexpectedly stripped of his seniority Tuesday night in a humiliating blow from Democrats who earlier had welcomed the former Pennsylvania Republican’s defection from the GOP.
    The move not only strips the five-term senator of his legislative clout but also hampers his ability to persuade voters he can still bring influence to issues in Pennsylvania as he approaches election there in 2010.
    Specter lashed back Wednesday, strongly suggesting he had been betrayed.
    In a statement released Wednesday afternoon, Specter said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had promised him that his seniority would be preserved.
    “Sen. (Harry) Reid assured me that I would keep my committee assignments and that I would have the same seniority as if I had been elected as a Democrat in 1980,” Specter said. “It was understood that the issue of subcommittee chairmanships would not be decided until after the 2010 election. Some members of the caucus have raised concerns about my seniority, so the caucus will vote on my seniority at the same time subcommittee chairmanships are confirmed after the 2010 election. I am confident my seniority will be maintained under the arrangement I worked out with Sen. Reid.”
    Specter added that he would “continue to be a staunch and effective advocate for Pennsylvania¹s and the nation's priorities.”
    The likelihood that Specter would lose a Republican primary prompted him to jump to the Democrats. Now, although President Barack Obama has promised to campaign for him, Specter could face a Democratic challenger in that party’s primary. After that, he may be up against former Gov. Tom Ridge, the state’s most popular Republican, in the general election.
    The Senate vote stripping him of rank came after Specter made a huge faux pas against his new party when he told The New York Times Tuesday that he hoped Republican Norm Coleman wins the protracted court battle over the Minnesota Senate seat. Democrats want candidate Al Franken to prevail over Coleman so the party can attain a filibuster-proof majority of 60 in the Senate.
    Politico reported that Specter has managed to alienate Democrats just a week after his much bally-hooed announcement.
    "Since declaring himself a Democrat last Tuesday, Specter has defied Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the White House on virtually everything that’s come down the pike: the budget, mortgage reform, the Al Franken-Norm Coleman race, even President Barack Obama’s appointment of Dawn Johnsen to head the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel," Politico reported. "All while quibbling over whether he said he’d be a 'loyal Democrat' — and insisting that he had an 'entitlement' to transfer his Senate seniority from one side of the aisle to the other."
    Reid read a resolution on the Senate floor Tuesday making Specter the most junior Democrat on four of his five committee assignments. It stood in stark contrast to Reid's alleged promise that Specter would retain his seniority if he switched from the Republican to the Democratic party.
    Specter serves on the Appropriations, Judiciary, Veterans Affairs, Environment and Public Works, and Special Aging committees. He had been the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, which is preparing for hearings on a Supreme Court nominee to replace the retiring Justice David Souter.
    When Republicans were in the majority, Specter chaired the confirmation hearings for Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. He now will have to wait in line to question the nominee, the Associated Press reported. Specter also was the top Republican on the subcommittee that funds the National Institutes of Health. The issue is a personal one for him because he has twice battled cancer.
    The move came only a day after Specter boasted of the power he had through seniority to voters in Pennsylvania.
    "My senior position on Appropriations has enabled me to bring a lot of jobs and a lot of federal funding to this state," Specter said at a town hall meeting on Monday, according to CNN.
    Over and over, CNN reported, Specter made a point of telling an auditorium filled with medical faculty and staff about the hundreds of millions of dollars he delivered to the Keystone State, thanks to the power he's accumulated in his 29 years in the Senate.
    "Pennsylvania has a big interest in my seniority, a big interest," he said.
    Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday, Specter said that it's an "entitlement" for him to retain his seniority on those committees.
    "I was elected in 1980. I think that's not a bribe or a give for something extraordinary," he said. "I'll be treated as a Democrat as if I was elected as a Democrat."
    Specter could have a chance to reclaim his seniority on influential committees such as the Appropriations and Judiciary Committees after the 2010 midterm elections, Democrats have suggested.
    Perhaps realizing the consequences his Coleman remarks, Specter quickly changed his tune. He told Congressional Quarterly on Tuesday that he would like to see more Democratic members elected in the 2010 midterms.
    "In the swirl of moving from one caucus to another, I have to get used to my new teammates," Specter said. "I’m ordinarily pretty correct in what I say. I’ve made a career of being precise. I conclusively misspoke."
    But Democrats have not only stripped Specter of his clout, they’ve used his defection from the GOP to attack his former party colleagues. In a new Web ad from the Democratic National Committee, they parody the TV show “Survivor to highlight "the continued disunity" within the GOP.
    The final result is that Arlen Specter has betrayed the party that supported him for decades, only to be apparently betrayed by the party that seduced him to defect.
    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/ar...2009/05/06/211368.html?s=al&promo_code=7F47-1
     
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