Why we need to renew the war on "Christians."

This is about the only thing you have said correct in this thread

I'm still waiting for a "Christian" to show me where Jesus said he was entitled to a house or 401k.

I'm still waiting for a "Christian" to point me to who Jesus said to take up arms against.

I've been left wanting. I know. It's a shame I actually read the source material. My bad, guys.
 
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No one can doubt what they see. I make a point and those who want Jesus to avow their avarice for earthly possessions can't help but attack me. It's like a moth to a flame.

I am told that my attack is because I covet what "Christians" have. I want NOTHING of yours. You cannot even begin to fathom what I want. Yet you still try to defame me by claiming I want your precious goods.

I thought there was a prohibition against bearing false witness. Explain to me why that doesn't apply to your defamation of me, "Christians."

And even if I did want what you have? What would it matter? Even if I did come and take what you have, what would it matter? Your Lord told you not to worry about it. Yet you do, then have the gall to tell me I have not demonstrated your attachment to your precious earthly treasures. But wait, there's always an excuse as to why Jesus was joking about that part when it comes to a "Christian."

Just point me to one time Jesus told his followers to attack someone to defend any good they possessed. Just one place. That's all I ask. It should not have been this difficult. If such a passage existed.
 
I'm still waiting for a "Christian" to show me where Jesus said he was entitled to a house or 401k.

I'm still waiting for a "Christian" to point me to who Jesus said to take up arms against.

I've been left wanting. I know. It's a shame I actually read the source material. My bad, guys.

You are going to wait forever because there is no place in the NT that talks about 401ks

I am not a christian but even a christian can not point out in the NT where it talks about 401ks

Also, no one is "entitled to a house" People have a right to work and save and get a house, even in the days of Jesus people worked and bought property. The tax collectors collected taxes on those properties that people owned. How about you show me where in the NT Jesus told his parents they did not have a right to buy or own the house they owned?
 
I'm tired of Glenn Beck.

If he was just worried about property and money for their own sake, that would be one thing. I can respect someone who says, "I'm a materialist. And a system that let's me get mine is a just system. Screw everybody else." Hey, that guy might be an asshole, but at least he's honest.

But now Glenn Beck is trying to bring Jesus into it. .............I'm sick of Beck and his ilk trying to pervert Jesus to their side.

Believe me that true Christians are sick of Glenn Beck also. He is not a true Christian. He is a faux-Christian. One who exploits Christianity for his own political goals. He is a drug and alcohol abuser and a self described borderline schizophrenic with suicidal tendencies. What more can be said.
 
Every word shows your attachment. You do everything in your power to twist the Bible to justify why you deserve a house and a 401k.

Spare me the aspersions about me coveting what you have. I want nothing of yours. Those fruits only further define you.


Your words prove nothing save for your lack of genuineness. You show your desire for the wealth others have created by your very arguments, and yet you have shown nothing in my words that supports your allegation. When you make the claim that you have a right to the belongings of a Christian by taking a verse out of context, and ignoring the rest of scripture, you show your true intents.

It is you that is in need of pity. Because of your beliefs all you have is this one short life, and then nothing.
 
Just point me to one time Jesus told his followers to attack someone to defend any good they possessed. Just one place. That's all I ask. It should not have been this difficult. If such a passage existed.


I already did that, however, you just find yet another excuse not to accept it. That is your nature as it is with all who deny Christ, and His teachings.
 
I like it! But you missed the point. I know phrenology is nonsense, I was making the point that a Doctorate in Theology is the equivalent of a Doctorate in Phrenology, neither is worth the paper they're printed on.:D


Well, people accept a doctorate in theology while they know a DOP is a hoax.




You made sure that I knew I was dealing with a Doctor of Theology when we began and thus put me on notice that you were nobody's fool where the Bible was concerned. But then you made all kinds of kooky statements about the contents of the Bible--with no scriptural references--and they were all wrong. Just like you don't know about the Bible Gateway, where did you get your Doctorate?


You haven't given any counter to my interpretation of those scriptures except, "No sir! No sir! No sir!" and that's not really an argument. You do realize that there are more than 4000 sects of Christians just because of the interpretation of the Bible in thousands of different ways, don't you?

You also didn't answer any of my questions about your interpretation of the Bible scriptures about David and Jonathan. Why not?


4000 sects of Christians, and none believe that David, and Jonathen, were homosexuals. All you are attempting to do is justify your own lifestyle.

Now, I gave you scriptural reference to where the word "confusion" as used by Saul concerning Jonathen was in regards to his inheritance of the throne. I showed you where Jonathen was not naked before David. I showed where Davids actions in kissing the ground, and Jonathen, were symbolic of the covenant between the two.

And still you lie about it.
 
Your words prove nothing save for your lack of genuineness. You show your desire for the wealth others have created by your very arguments, and yet you have shown nothing in my words that supports your allegation. When you make the claim that you have a right to the belongings of a Christian by taking a verse out of context, and ignoring the rest of scripture, you show your true intents.

It is you that is in need of pity. Because of your beliefs all you have is this one short life, and then nothing.

I have never claimed any right to yours or any others' property, "Christian."

Again, why do you LIE? Doesn't lying violate the precepts?

A charge of taking verses out of context is hilarious coming from someone who treats Luke 22:36 like a proverb rather than part of the greater story. The Bible consistently shows Jesus' and the Apostles' detachment from earthly treasures, but the "Christian" always has to take the verses out of context to justify his avarice.

As I said, I have disavowed any claim to any "Christians" property. I have simply been presenting what "Christians" fear most. And they never fail to please when responding to it and showing their true colors.
 
I already did that, however, you just find yet another excuse not to accept it. That is your nature as it is with all who deny Christ, and His teachings.

Right, just like you showed me that Jesus wanted us to arm ourselves by using Luke 22:36 as a Proverb rather than as part of a story.

You charged me with being disingenuous. That's simply laughable.
 
Right, just like you showed me that Jesus wanted us to arm ourselves by using Luke 22:36 as a Proverb rather than as part of a story.

You charged me with being disingenuous. That's simply laughable.



Actually, you are extremely dishonest.

First you made the claim that Christians should be willing to give to you all of their property using Luke 6:29,30 as your justification for such. In fact you began this thread with a complaint about Beck obtaining peoperty, and a general whine about Christians having wealth. Then you deny saying so.

Then you made the claim that Christians have not the right to defend their property, or their lives, by using Luke 6:27-29 as your reasoning, and ignoring all else. You asked for a Christian to explain to you where the Christian is told to take up arms which is an obvious attempt to say that the Christian should not engage in self-defense in any manner. To that end you might want to read this.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Gregory/williams110.htm

What is obvious is that in your "war on Christians" you would intend to make them unarmed, and in a state of poverty regardless of how hard they worked, or what they had earned.
 
4000 sects of Christians, and none believe that David, and Jonathen, were homosexuals. All you are attempting to do is justify your own lifestyle.
Actually some of them do accept that David and Jonathan were lovers, that's why they don't persecute gay people like you advocate doing. These Christian churches focus on the two most important commandments in the Bible instead of cherry picking scriptures to use as weapons against others as you have done. Post after post you have listed the sins of gay men while ignoring the much larger sins of the heterosexual population and ignoring the lesbian population too because they have less AIDS and VD than any other group.

I can hardly be defending my own lifestyle when I am legally married and celibate to boot. I'm 60 years old, I have no sexual lifestyle to justify.

Now, I gave you scriptural reference to where the word "confusion" as used by Saul concerning Jonathen was in regards to his inheritance of the throne. I showed you where Jonathen was not naked before David. I showed where Davids actions in kissing the ground, and Jonathen, were symbolic of the covenant between the two.

And still you lie about it.
This is a case in point: all you are enraged about is gay men. Genocide, the rape of women, kidnapping, selling children, murdering children, and incest get a free pass while you bash away at gay men. Can you understand how your monomania can make people ask, "What's he hiding with all this vitriolic bombast?"

Why are you so intent on gay men? You are not in danger, are you? Can you understand why I would question your hidden motives? You ignore 99.99% of the Bible commandments and focus on gay men and how evil they are. Sounds like you have something to hide.
 
Actually some of them do accept that David and Jonathan were lovers, that's why they don't persecute gay people like you advocate doing. These Christian churches focus on the two most important commandments in the Bible instead of cherry picking scriptures to use as weapons against others as you have done. Post after post you have listed the sins of gay men while ignoring the much larger sins of the heterosexual population and ignoring the lesbian population too because they have less AIDS and VD than any other group.


What? Like obey God? (Matthew 6:24; 1John 5:3;Proverbs 28:4,5)) Or that not one of Gods laws would pass away till all things are completed (Luke 16:16,17) , and if anyone were to teach a child to disobey these laws it would be better for them to have a millstone hung around their neck, and cast into the deepest part of the sea?( Matthew 18:6; Matthew 5:17-19)

What your "christian" friends do is "cherry pick" a few of the scriptures that allow them to be limp wristed carnal "christians" never coming to the truth, or the meat, of the Gospel. (Hebrews 5:9-14; 1Cor. 3:1-4)

As to the "sins of the heterosexual community" they are not near as great as those of your community although they are not condoned either.

Again though, you have to resort to lies to prop up your own perversion of the Gospel.

I can hardly be defending my own lifestyle when I am legally married and celibate to boot. I'm 60 years old, I have no sexual lifestyle to justify.


And you have been celibate all of your life too, right.


This is a case in point: all you are enraged about is gay men. Genocide, the rape of women, kidnapping, selling children, murdering children, and incest get a free pass while you bash away at gay men. Can you understand how your monomania can make people ask, "What's he hiding with all this vitriolic bombast?"

Why are you so intent on gay men? You are not in danger, are you? Can you understand why I would question your hidden motives? You ignore 99.99% of the Bible commandments and focus on gay men and how evil they are. Sounds like you have something to hide.


Again the ad hominem attack you denied earlier making. I can absolutely understand your fear of the truth of scripture, and your avoidance of Gods Laws.

The primary discussion evolved into gay men, and most often I refer to homosexuality, not one specific gender.

Just what has been the hidden motive of the homosexual community at large since 1968, and the convention at Stonewall Tavern?

Some day I might even see what "vitriol", or "persecution of gays", you are referring to when it comes to my comments. ALL of them have been true while the majority of yours have been lies, and forms of denial.
 
Actually, you are extremely dishonest.

First you made the claim that Christians should be willing to give to you all of their property using Luke 6:29,30 as your justification for such. In fact you began this thread with a complaint about Beck obtaining peoperty, and a general whine about Christians having wealth. Then you deny saying so.

Then you made the claim that Christians have not the right to defend their property, or their lives, by using Luke 6:27-29 as your reasoning, and ignoring all else. You asked for a Christian to explain to you where the Christian is told to take up arms which is an obvious attempt to say that the Christian should not engage in self-defense in any manner. To that end you might want to read this.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Gregory/williams110.htm

What is obvious is that in your "war on Christians" you would intend to make them unarmed, and in a state of poverty regardless of how hard they worked, or what they had earned.

My complaint is that Beck is trying to hijack churches into making property a prime concern.

I have demonstrated time and again that this is false by dismantling every attempt you throw at me. Then you try to bring in the commentary of others to bolster your case.

You have none. You duck the fact that you to Luke 22:36 COMPLETELY out of context. Why is that? Because you can't deal with ceding the point to me because it destroys your position.

It's not my fault Jesus' words and the actions of his Apostle support my case. But hey, I'm reading the text OBJECTIVELY.

You try to shame me by telling me Beck gives more out of his wealth for charity than I do. How do you know this? Because he says so. I've watched him throw it in a socialist's face who was on his show. I've already brought up the widow's offering, let's get even more direct.

Matthew 6:1-4
"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

I suppose I twisted the meaning of that... but the more likely case is that you are false.

Let's continue with the Sermon on the Mount -

Matthew 6:19-24
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

I know. I know. You can subordinate your wealth to God, right? I say no because every time I bring up your worst fear, having your precious property taken from you, the attempts to have Jesus justify your avarice flow strong.

What did Jesus say after not storing up treasures on Earth?

Matthew 6:25-34
"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

No one said you couldn't work. Knock yourself out. Just spare me that Jesus told you to worry about what someone takes from you, like the government in taxes. Do you doubt that God will provide you with what you need, O you of little faith? I say you do. You wouldn't fight tooth and nail to manufacture ANY twist to have Jesus defend your avarice.

As I said in the OP, I don't care if you are a materialist. I don't care if you want to serve money. Have at. What I do care about is materialistic assholes who want to try to make serving money a righteous Christian endeavor. It's not. I have amply provided the words of the Christian Lord, and he sides with me.

Spare me you lamentations about it, "Christians"
 
As to the "sins of the heterosexual community" they are not near as great as those of your community although they are not condoned either.
Millions of rapes, millions more abortions, wars, genocide, and the spread of more VD than all the gay people in the world, hmmm, how do those nasty gay men who number about 2.5% of the population manage to commit more sins than the 95% of the population that is heterosexual?

And you have been celibate all of your life too, right.
No, but I was supposed to act like a man so I had heterosexual relationships with women. I've never had gay sex in my life.

Again the ad hominem attack you denied earlier making. I can absolutely understand your fear of the truth of scripture, and your avoidance of Gods Laws.
Golly, DOT, methinks you doth protest too much. I didn't ever say you were a repressed homosexual, but your monomania about gay men makes me suspect you're hiding something.

The primary discussion evolved into gay men, and most often I refer to homosexuality, not one specific gender.
All the wild-ass, rectal reclamation accusations you make only apply to gay men. I've brought up the information about lesbians several times but you have not acknowledged it--instead you just hammered down on gay men some more.

Just what has been the hidden motive of the homosexual community at large since 1968, and the convention at Stonewall Tavern?
Stonewall Convention? :D:D:D Boy did you miss that one! It was a riot because the police were busting gays and trannies illegally and they were doing so brutally--kind of like you would if you were a cop busting gay bars. What came out of the Stonewall riot was a determination not to take the beatings and illegal arrests passively anymore. Think of the Black Panthers or the Jewish Defense League, people fighting back against injustice, but the gay people have never taken up arms against the people like you who oppress them.

Some day I might even see what "vitriol", or "persecution of gays", you are referring to when it comes to my comments. ALL of them have been true while the majority of yours have been lies, and forms of denial.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. I'm not the one condemning in God's name, I'm not the one denying equality, I'm not the one who denies to others what he claims for his own, I am not the hypocrite in this discussion.
 
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Millions of rapes, millions more abortions, wars, genocide, and the spread of more VD than all the gay people in the world, hmmm, how do those nasty gay men who number about 2.5% of the population manage to commit more sins than the 95% of the population that is heterosexual?


There you go again changing the topic because you lost the first one. We were speaking of heterosexual crimes (in particular Christians) on homosexuals v homosexual crimes on heterosexuals. Now you want to make it all about crimes of the world.

Anyway, I don't have time tonight to argue your BS, and with a little searching I see you have been over this quite a few times, and so far you have had no inclination to accept the truth.

And, I guess you forgot about Michael Swift in 1987, right.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a5_1256854762

I found this for you to read, and I will address your post tomorrow.

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Were_David_and_Jonathan_Homosexual_Lovers
 
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