Why we need to renew the war on "Christians."

[Mare Tranquillity]

There you go again changing the topic because you lost the first one. We were speaking of heterosexual crimes (in particular Christians) on homosexuals v homosexual crimes on heterosexuals. Now you want to make it all about crimes of the world.

Anyway, I don't have time tonight to argue your BS, and with a little searching I see you have been over this quite a few times, and so far you have had no inclination to accept the truth.

And, I guess you forgot about Michael Swift in 1987, right.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a5_1256854762

I found this for you to read, and I will address your post tomorrow.

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Were_David_and_Jonathan_Homosexual_Lovers

Because Michael Swift wrote something, that means that it applies to all gay people? So by this reasoning the Rev. Fred Phelps speaks for you and all Christians. I never said that there were no crazies in the gay population, but there are in any population so, once again, you single out gay men for the expression of your hatred. Why? Are you afraid of Mike Swift? Have you seen gangs of roving gays attacking young men and raping them? No. So what's your problem.

You are the one who brought up all the "crimes" of gay men as a reason to deny them equality, all I did was note that the crimes of which you speak are not restricted to ONLY GAY MEN. You have shown a double standard consistently in our discussion and this is just another example of same.

Interesting piece on David and Jonathan, but it's just interpretation isn't it? My guess would be that Jon was gay and David was bi-sexual. That their relationship was seen in one light for many years is irrelevant in light of the fact that the concept of homosexuality is fairly new and it has only been a problem for Christians for about 500 years. Before that it was accepted and even the Catholic church had/still has a ceremony for the Marriage of Likeness.

Yes, I've been over this a few times because there are a lot of religious bigots who hate just as strongly and ignorantly as you do. They use the same tired arguments and the same logical fallacies to try to force their religious beliefs on the rest of us.

 

[OldTrapper]

Because Michael Swift wrote something, that means that it applies to all gay people? So by this reasoning the Rev. Fred Phelps speaks for you and all Christians. I never said that there were no crazies in the gay population, but there are in any population so, once again, you single out gay men for the expression of your hatred. Why? Are you afraid of Mike Swift? Have you seen gangs of roving gays attacking young men and raping them? No. So what's your problem.

You know, I can see why you are what you are. The hate, and anger, you consistently spew must be extremely hard on the mind.

Now, Michael Swift was not the only "crazy" back in the late 60's, and through today. He just set a standard that gay men are using like in their "Gay Parades". Unlike Phelps, who is condemned by the Christian community, Swift, and others like him, are treated as "heroes", and as mentors. Phelps is relgated to his family, and a few others (totaling about 60-70) while with Swift, and his allies, the numbers are in the millions.

As I have said before, I don't give a damn what perverts do in their own bedrooms. It is when they desire to bring those activities into the public square as being "normal". Universities, like the Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa, have introduced classes teaching S&M; the APA tried to "normalize" paedophilia a few years back; some high schools have encouraged "experimentation" with different sexual activities; some researchers such as Sarah Goode have tried to say that paedophilia has no negative effects on children; and we still have the HIV/AIDS crisis which homosexuals continue to refuse to act responsibly towards, and are still the major source of new infections in spite of their minority status. Then there is NAMBLA.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/aug/09082609.html

Now, you constantly attempt to infer that I am a "latent homosexual" based on my arguments against gay men, and not against lesbians. You even tried to use a bogus study about so called "homophobes" to bolster your insanity, and you do have a mental disorder. I didn't bother to read the study, however, I would be willing to bet that they relied heavily on what is called "penile plethysmography" which uses a device that allegedly measures the arousal of a male, and it can be used on females, with certain stimulation. The problem is that this science has been determined to be about as accurate as your phrenology, and the Courts in Canada, and the U.S. have determined it has no scientific reliability, and cannot be used as evidence. Yet fools like you will still try to denigrate others with this bogus "science".

Then there is the differences between lesbians, and "gay" men. Lesbians, as you inferred, do not transmit the HIV virus as do "gays" simply due to the diffuculty in transferring the fluids in which the virus is contained one to another. Next, lesbians are not as violent as "gays"; they are not as promiscuous; they are less likely to attack church's, or engage in violent acts;
they are not members of groups such as ActUp that promoted the spread of HIV to heterosexuals, etc. The threat of the lesbian comes mainly from their role in education such as the promotion of "Heather Has Two Mommies", and can be easily contained.

You can set there and deny the Biblical admonitions against homosexuality, and even try to prove that homosexuality is accepted in the Bible ("gay" churches such as Grace Methodist pervert the very scripture they claim to proclaim, and decieve the people into thinking that God condones their behaviour); you can deny the cultural disgust at homosexual activity, and spend the rest of your life trying to change that; you can deny that physical violence, and threats of violence, were used to intimidate the APA in its change of the DSM; you can do all you want to justify the spending of thousands to "correct" Gods "mistake" in your own life (and they are trying to force insurance companies, and even the government, to pay for such "alterations"); you can do all of that, and still you will be a deviant living a lie.

It is not fear of the homosexual that drives people such as myself. It is the perversion of society, and its morality, that drives me, and millions of others. Unlike those you support, we do not condone violence against the homosexual. However, we will never condone acceptance of your lifestyle, your "bath houses"; your orgies; your "bug chasers"; nor will we accept your demands that the government pay for medical care when you acquire HIV/AIDS because of your irresponsible behaviour.

Live with it. It is your change that will be accepted, not ours.

And you have yet to refute any of the claims I have made about the violent nature of the "gay man".

With that, I am done wasting my time with you.

 

[OldTrapper]

I have never claimed any right to yours or any others' property, "Christian."

Again, why do you LIE? Doesn't lying violate the precepts?

You did on page three of this thread. And you have definitely insinuated such by your words.

A charge of taking verses out of context is hilarious coming from someone who treats Luke 22:36 like a proverb rather than part of the greater story. The Bible consistently shows Jesus' and the Apostles' detachment from earthly treasures, but the "Christian" always has to take the verses out of context to justify his avarice.

If you understood the Gospels, and the Epistles, you would know that the purpose of Christ, and the Apostles, was to preach the word of God. They were not to concentrate on worldly matters, or wealth. In turn, they were supported by wealthy people, and poor people, such as Lydia "a seller of purple" (Acts 16:14).

It is not the Christian that takes verses out of context, it is people like you who are without understanding that take verses out fo context in order to denigrate Christians, and deprive them of any defense against your "war".

As I said, I have disavowed any claim to any "Christians" property. I have simply been presenting what "Christians" fear most. And they never fail to please when responding to it and showing their true colors.

Again, you show your lack of understanding, and the lie which is your life. You have shown NOTHING to prove your contention. How is it that you "know" that a Christian, if required to do so, would not give up all of their earthly belongings? Is there some reason why you think they should not prosper, have belongings, provide for their families, and the poor? Can you prove that these material things are not secondary in their lives with God being number one?

Are you really so egotistic as to think your opinion is the absolute?

 

[AtheismIsReality]

Again, you show your lack of understanding, and the lie which is your life. You have shown NOTHING to prove your contention. How is it that you "know" that a Christian, if required to do so, would not give up all of their earthly belongings? Is there some reason why you think they should not prosper, have belongings, provide for their families, and the poor? Can you prove that these material things are not secondary in their lives with God being number one?

Are you really so egotistic as to think your opinion is the absolute?

I am bemused that you would claim I lack understanding. It merely shows that I have absolutely proven my argument, and you are an accomplice. I thank you for the assist.

How in the world are you coming to the conclusion that Jesus was not instructing ALL of his would be followers in the passages above? The Sermon on the Mount was not some private address to his Apostles. It was a Sermon to all people. That contextual error is even worse than trying to make Luke 22:36 into a proverb.

Where does it end with you?

Look, we know you have little faith. We know you value your precious earthly possessions more than your soul. It's in your words. You can't help but try to claim that the hand of man is what makes things happen. Oh, the rich supported Jesus, the poor supported Jesus. So you need a house and 401k to make sure you can live in the style you want, then maybe you have something left over to help out Jesus with.

And yet Jesus said the God provided what was needed. Did the rich, poor, or Lydia provide Jesus with the loaves and fish to feed the crowd? Seems like God provided what was needed.

Tell you what, put YOUR beliefs up against The Sermon on the Mount. The mental gymnastics required to have Jesus in your corner of avarice will be entertaining. And I'm the egotistical one? LOL Sure.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You know, I can see why you are what you are. The hate, and anger, you consistently spew must be extremely hard on the mind.

Now, Michael Swift was not the only "crazy" back in the late 60's, and through today. He just set a standard that gay men are using like in their "Gay Parades". Unlike Phelps, who is condemned by the Christian community, Swift, and others like him, are treated as "heroes", and as mentors. Phelps is relgated to his family, and a few others (totaling about 60-70) while with Swift, and his allies, the numbers are in the millions.

As I have said before, I don't give a damn what perverts do in their own bedrooms. It is when they desire to bring those activities into the public square as being "normal". Universities, like the Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa, have introduced classes teaching S&M; the APA tried to "normalize" paedophilia a few years back; some high schools have encouraged "experimentation" with different sexual activities; some researchers such as Sarah Goode have tried to say that paedophilia has no negative effects on children; and we still have the HIV/AIDS crisis which homosexuals continue to refuse to act responsibly towards, and are still the major source of new infections in spite of their minority status. Then there is NAMBLA.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/aug/09082609.html

Now, you constantly attempt to infer that I am a "latent homosexual" based on my arguments against gay men, and not against lesbians. You even tried to use a bogus study about so called "homophobes" to bolster your insanity, and you do have a mental disorder. I didn't bother to read the study, however, I would be willing to bet that they relied heavily on what is called "penile plethysmography" which uses a device that allegedly measures the arousal of a male, and it can be used on females, with certain stimulation. The problem is that this science has been determined to be about as accurate as your phrenology, and the Courts in Canada, and the U.S. have determined it has no scientific reliability, and cannot be used as evidence. Yet fools like you will still try to denigrate others with this bogus "science".

Then there is the differences between lesbians, and "gay" men. Lesbians, as you inferred, do not transmit the HIV virus as do "gays" simply due to the diffuculty in transferring the fluids in which the virus is contained one to another. Next, lesbians are not as violent as "gays"; they are not as promiscuous; they are less likely to attack church's, or engage in violent acts;
they are not members of groups such as ActUp that promoted the spread of HIV to heterosexuals, etc. The threat of the lesbian comes mainly from their role in education such as the promotion of "Heather Has Two Mommies", and can be easily contained.

You can set there and deny the Biblical admonitions against homosexuality, and even try to prove that homosexuality is accepted in the Bible ("gay" churches such as Grace Methodist pervert the very scripture they claim to proclaim, and decieve the people into thinking that God condones their behaviour); you can deny the cultural disgust at homosexual activity, and spend the rest of your life trying to change that; you can deny that physical violence, and threats of violence, were used to intimidate the APA in its change of the DSM; you can do all you want to justify the spending of thousands to "correct" Gods "mistake" in your own life (and they are trying to force insurance companies, and even the government, to pay for such "alterations"); you can do all of that, and still you will be a deviant living a lie.

It is not fear of the homosexual that drives people such as myself. It is the perversion of society, and its morality, that drives me, and millions of others. Unlike those you support, we do not condone violence against the homosexual. However, we will never condone acceptance of your lifestyle, your "bath houses"; your orgies; your "bug chasers"; nor will we accept your demands that the government pay for medical care when you acquire HIV/AIDS because of your irresponsible behaviour.

Live with it. It is your change that will be accepted, not ours.

And you have yet to refute any of the claims I have made about the violent nature of the "gay man".

With that, I am done wasting my time with you.

It's not often that I see so many false statements in one post--congratulations! Your fear of gay men is palpable despite your denials. You'll die of old age and a new generation of people will grow up knowing that you and your ilk are the KKK of the sexual revolution, struggling to hold back the forward movement of the human race out of ill-conceived fears and baseless prejudice. How nice for you, Jesus would be proud.

 

[samsara15]

that English 9s a 2nd language or that you just want to rant and couldn't think of a good subject ?

try this:

I need to justify my Godlressness and am mad at how native Americans were treated and I am just beginning to understand what government's purpose is and thought I'd bring it up here !

Spelling is an obsession of those who never understood what linguistics is all about. Do you understand what linguistics is all about? Or are you just another Godlressness Conservative?

 

[AtheismIsReality]

Any other "Christians" want to run their theory that Jesus supports avarice of Earthly goods? Just put it in a running commentary against The Sermon on the Mount.

If not, lock and sticky this thread. When people decide civil virtue is more important than dying with the most toys, a shift that might allow the resurrection of this Republic to its former glory, the thread can serve as a rallying point.

And, "Christians", always a pleasure.

 

[GenSeneca]

Any other "Christians" want to run their theory that Jesus supports avarice of Earthly goods?

It's a shame I didn't respond to this thread a year ago when the OP was still here, better late than never.

As an Atheist, I find it frustrating when Anti-Theists spew their bigotry under the name of Atheism, so I continue to do whatever I can to expose this fraud.

Now on to the topic. The OP was complaining that Beck, a rich Christian, opposed churches preaching Social Justice:

Social justice is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution.

Economic egalitarianism is a state of economic affairs in which equality of outcome has been manufactured for all the participants of a society. It is a founding principle of various forms of socialism, communalism and cooperative economic organization.

Equality of outcome, is the goal, central to some political ideologies, of reducing or eliminating incidental inequalities in material condition between individuals or households in a society. This usually means equalizing income and/or total wealth to a certain degree by, for example, granting a greater amount of income and/or total wealth to poorer individuals or households at the expense of wealthy individuals or households.

Equality of outcome can be distinguished from the concept of equality of opportunity. Policies that seek an equality of outcome often require a deviation from the strict application of concepts such as meritocracy, and legal notions of equality before the law for all citizens. 'Equality seeking' policies may also have a redistributive focus.​

Beck opposes spreading political doctrine under the guise of religion and that's a bad thing?

I noticed that despite all the OP's citations of the bible, not once did he offer a single verse that states it's the responsibility of government to create economic equality. I didn't see one single bible verse saying that Christians are required to support Progressive taxation. I didn't see where God commanded anyone to evenly redistribute the wealth of the world among the inhabitants of the earth. I didn't even see one single shred of evidence that Jesus ever told his disciples to look to government to solve the inequalities of the world.

Perhaps, if the OP ever returns, he will have those verses available.

 

[Stalin]

Secretary Stalin spent decades trying to crush the christians and failed.

Some things are not worth the time and effort.

Comrade Stalin

 

[Phoenix68]

Why we need to renew the war on "Christians."​

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